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elleohelle
July 20th, 2009, 03:42
I've had a bitch of a time learning the difference and when to use transitive and intransitive verbs. Any tips, good links, or explanations? Thanks!

Beaux Beltran
July 20th, 2009, 05:46
Use transitive verb when the subject does something to the object i.e "I opened the door". Use intransitive when something happens to the subject "the door opened".

Just memorize the useful verb pairs and practice using them. That's the only way.

surgeon
July 20th, 2009, 06:36
you also need が for intransitive, and を for transitive

AliDimayev
July 20th, 2009, 09:56
Are you talking english verbs or Japanese?

FiercestCalm
July 20th, 2009, 10:32
Are you talking english verbs or Japanese?

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AliDimayev
July 20th, 2009, 10:34
What's so hard. Jidoushi take ga as aparticle

doa ga akimasu

tadoushi take (w)o

doa wo akemasu

Rin
July 21st, 2009, 09:13
I've always found that the it's easier to think of the intransitive verbs as like semi-adjectives.

ドアが開いている。 The door is open.

Sorccy
July 21st, 2009, 15:58
These things make me want to stab my eyes out. I can't for the life of me memorize them... no hope of keeping them straight. So far, they're the most annoying part of the Japanese language. Grargh.

Rin, I really like your way of thinking of them...

Now if only I could just remember the damn things!

Japanese verbs, part 2 (http://kimallen.sheepdogdesign.net/Japanese/verbs2.html) Here's one link with some info about them. Don't know if it'll be any help, but maybe!

surgeon
July 21st, 2009, 16:04
transitive and intrasitive being annoying!?

wait until you get to potential, causative, passive, causative-passive, provisional, et. al.

Sorccy
July 21st, 2009, 16:19
transitive and intrasitive being annoying!?

wait until you get to potential, causative, passive, causative-passive, provisional, et. al.


Yeah, I'm sure it gets much worse. Not looking forward to that stuff. Granted, I might be out of Japan and done with Japanese before I get into anything much more annoying. I'm not really in it for the long haul, I'm just learning what I can while I'm here. I'm amazed by those of you who are fluent or nearly fluent, or those aiming to be there in the future!

krazie85
July 21st, 2009, 19:14
They seem hard at first. I thought they were the devil for about a month or two and then slowly started to get the hang of them. They also have patterns in their construction which help. i.e. 倒す 倒れる 壊す 壊れる。 Just keep practicing is basically all I can say.

The one I mess up the most is probably 決める and 決まる。I swear I hear japanese people using 決まる when they should use 決める but who knows.

Timoshi
July 21st, 2009, 21:37
transitive and intrasitive being annoying!?

wait until you get to potential, causative, passive, causative-passive, provisional, et. al.

You should focus on improving your English before attempting 3級, mate.

surgeon
July 21st, 2009, 21:50
what?

Timoshi
July 21st, 2009, 21:55
IMPROVE YOUR LATIN!

List of Latin phrases: E - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_al.#et_al)

surgeon
July 21st, 2009, 21:58
nothing wrong with that usage, dipshit!

improve my English, or my Latin?

Timoshi
July 21st, 2009, 22:00
PROVE IT, COCKSTENCH!

surgeon
July 21st, 2009, 22:03
and LOL @ 3級 comment. you have failed TWICE!

Timoshi
July 21st, 2009, 22:07
I PASSED ON MY FIRST GO, RETARD.

Style Manual : University of Minnesota (http://www1.umn.edu/urelate/style/language-usage.html)