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JJarmuth07
June 2nd, 2011, 14:35
This is something I will definitely ask about in the Q&A.

I don't understand why one cannot purchase ones own ticket (on the same plane) without having to go through JET? Don't you think they'd be able to add that to ones salary (or otherwise reimburse me)?

Dandy
June 2nd, 2011, 14:37
Imagine if everyone wanted to do what you are asking....

You are getting your flight PAID for you. Be happy.

JJarmuth07
June 2nd, 2011, 14:41
True.

But I'd get upgraded to first class which would make me quite a lot happier. plus if I did, i'd sneak drinks to fellow JETs throughout the aeroplane. YA!



Imagine if everyone wanted to do what you are asking....

You are getting your flight PAID for you. Be happy.

JJarmuth07
June 2nd, 2011, 14:43
ALSO - Are we going with JAL or BA?


True.

But I'd get upgraded to first class which would make me quite a lot happier. plus if I did, i'd sneak drinks to fellow JETs throughout the aeroplane. YA!

uthinkimlost?
June 2nd, 2011, 14:46
True.

But I'd get upgraded to first class which would make me quite a lot happier. plus if I did, i'd sneak drinks to fellow JETs throughout the aeroplane. YA!

Nobody wants to be roofied by you.

lizbuff
June 2nd, 2011, 14:47
All the long haul flights I have ever been on give free drinks to us poor folk in economy too.


Other than it would be a massive pain to organise, the BOEs buy expensive fully flexible ticket so in the case of say, hmm, I dunno, an earthquake? tsunami? nuclear disaster?, it is no problem changing the ticket to a later date rather than having to re-buy it.

Strange_quark
June 2nd, 2011, 14:50
The reason JETs fly together is a matter of logistics. It's easier to make sure that JETs are all together if their tickets are bought "on bulk". Trying to organise thousands of people to travel at the same time, to the same place, on the same flight is hard enough without adding in another factor of difficulty. If you want to fly first class, do it on your holiday, not on your job. The passports are also all collected together - I don't think they'd risk you going off on your own if they gave you your passport and visa.
I don't think anyone would care whether you snuck drinks back or not.

As for JAL or BA - you probably won't find out until pre-departure orientation.

lizbuff
June 2nd, 2011, 14:56
I remember finding out sometime after pre-departure orientation. We logged into some crappy website and it told us who we were flying with.

Tarquin
June 2nd, 2011, 15:11
You can always try to upgrade at the check-in counter. They're not "bargain basement" priced tickets.
The last few years candidates from the UK have flown JAL, BA, ANA and I think some flew Virgin too?

word
June 2nd, 2011, 15:35
My group flew AA. Tarquin is probably right; you might be able to upgrade. I think it'd be dumb and a waste of money/miles, but whatever; it's your call.

Merkypie
June 2nd, 2011, 18:59
As long as you have a paid for ticket, the airlines don't care what you do with it. Upgrades are just more money in the pocket of the airline. It's just harder, and will cost more money, to do it at the check in counter.

So if you end up in Economy class with no leg room, you could upgrade to Economy Plus with leg room for like 50 bucks more. If you hate Economy, you can upgrade to Business for like 300 and if you want your free liquor and FA at your beck and call, First Class is a couple of thousand.

Ini
June 2nd, 2011, 19:03
why do the americans keep going on about free liquor? Dont all airlines offer free booze on long haul flights these days? I dont fly american airlines because they are all shit but any european or asian airline will get you wasted the second you step on the plane

Merkypie
June 2nd, 2011, 19:08
Liquor in Economy costs $7 a bottle/can. Free liquor does not exist unless you're in Business or First Class.

Business only gets to have 1 free drink. First class is unlimited.

Jordan
June 2nd, 2011, 19:15
This is something I will definitely ask about in the Q&A.

I don't understand why one cannot purchase ones own ticket (on the same plane) without having to go through JET? Don't you think they'd be able to add that to ones salary (or otherwise reimburse me)?As Quark says that's a logistical nightmare. Plus if you're buying a massive order of tickets you can play airlines off against each other to get preferential rates.


why do the americans keep going on about free liquor? Dont all airlines offer free booze on long haul flights these days? I dont fly american airlines because they are all shit but any european or asian airline will get you wasted the second you step on the plane
Remember, fresh US graduates like those going on JET have only been legally allowed to drive for a year or so. The novelty of being able to easily acquire booze hasn't worn off yet.

Ini
June 2nd, 2011, 19:15
christ! fat old women and a bunch of faggots for stewards, no free booze, extra 2 hour security checks, crazy arabs trying to kill everyone, aggressive air marshalls throwing their weight around, hands down the worst service in the world, why on earth would anyone fly with an american airline?

Merkypie
June 2nd, 2011, 19:26
Because they know why you fly™

Scissors
June 2nd, 2011, 19:47
Remember, fresh US graduates like those going on JET have only been legally allowed to drive for a year or so. The novelty of being able to easily acquire booze hasn't worn off yet.

"legally allowed to drive?" That's a slang I've never heard before for drinking alcohol. Huh.

Well, some of us are still under 21 and have to jump through hoops STILL, so easily acquired liquor is nice. :P ...Which doesn't apply to me anyway, although I was once mildly curious if I can be served once I'm on the plane and closer to Japan. Or something.

Likely not. Not like it really matters.


christ! fat old women and a bunch of faggots for stewards, no free booze, extra 2 hour security checks, crazy arabs trying to kill everyone, aggressive air marshalls throwing their weight around, hands down the worst service in the world, why on earth would anyone fly with an american airline?

Hey.

There's no such thing as a fat stewardess.

MCC
June 2nd, 2011, 20:41
This is something I will definitely ask about in the Q&A.

I don't understand why one cannot purchase ones own ticket (on the same plane) without having to go through JET? Don't you think they'd be able to add that to ones salary (or otherwise reimburse me)?

I don't know about your country, but here in the UK I was told by JET that any requests, luggage issue, and others related to our travel to Japan needs to be dealt with the travel agency. They are the ones who contacts JET with all the information. I'm just that you would be able to upgrade your ticket through them if you want/need.

Jordan
June 2nd, 2011, 20:48
"legally allowed to drive?" That's a slang I've never heard before for drinking alcohol. Huh.

Well, some of us are still under 21 and have to jump through hoops STILL, so easily acquired liquor is nice. :P ...Which doesn't apply to me anyway, although I was once mildly curious if I can be served once I'm on the plane and closer to Japan. Or something.

Likely not. Not like it really matters.
*Drink
No idea why that got crossed in my head.

hydroflames
June 2nd, 2011, 21:13
True.

But I'd get upgraded to first class which would make me quite a lot happier. plus if I did, i'd sneak drinks to fellow JETs throughout the aeroplane. YA!
i thought the idea was you'd be spending the majority of your time on that flight socialising and getting to know other JET participants in the hopes they'll bother to remember your name and contact you on those long, lonely nights/weekends living alone in a foreign country? why the hell would you want to segregate yourself by sitting in first class?

i'd rather be sober, cramped and sociable than drinking myself to sleep alone (i'll be doing that enough when i get to Japan!)

Merkypie
June 2nd, 2011, 21:46
Hey.

There's no such thing as a fat stewardess.

You must have never flown on Southwest.

rebeckyc
June 3rd, 2011, 00:09
why do the americans keep going on about free liquor? Dont all airlines offer free booze on long haul flights these days? I dont fly american airlines because they are all shit but any european or asian airline will get you wasted the second you step on the plane

No actually every single flight I have taken from NYC to Japan or East Asia in general have given me free liquor in economy. No joke. This past summer when I flew to Japan with ANA, they had a touch screen where you could order any drink you wanted and they would come up and give it to you. Including Chu-Hi or wine and such. It was pretty awesome. I flew Continental (an American airline) to Hong Kong though and it was the same deal. I guess maybe AA is just completely shitty cause then they would be the only company I know that charges for long haul flights. I never like to fly them.

Scissors
June 3rd, 2011, 01:38
*Drink
No idea why that got crossed in my head.


Well I was totally convinced that was a slang term I'd never heard. Damn. :(

lilyanphino
June 3rd, 2011, 01:56
I'm not sure about other airlines, but I know that ANA had free alchohol in economy last time I flew with them. So, I guess depending on the airline, ESID.

greengoo
June 3rd, 2011, 01:58
On my last few trips to Japan/China I got free, basically unlimited booze in coach.

Buckeye22314
June 3rd, 2011, 02:21
According to DELTA's website they offer free beer and wine on international flights.

rebeckyc
June 3rd, 2011, 02:26
I guess AA is the only one that doesn't? Maybe it does now especially since almost all airlines do anyway.

Cytrix
June 3rd, 2011, 06:38
Well damn you all for commenting in between my hear hear.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to my time socialising with my peers on the plane (although I do zonk out on planes, so someone will have me whispering sweet nonsensical nothings in their ear while I no doubt drool on their shoulder. Goddamn I'm hot) Comfort be damned.

Ini
June 3rd, 2011, 08:19
This past summer when I flew to Japan with ANA.

ANA is an american airline now is it?

rebeckyc
June 3rd, 2011, 08:26
ANA is an american airline now is it?

Not that I know of its short for All Nippon Airways which is Japanese. My fav Japanese airline though!

Ini
June 3rd, 2011, 08:30
so why when i said every asian airline provides free booze did you say no and then starting rabbiting on about ANA?

rebeckyc
June 3rd, 2011, 09:06
so why when i said every asian airline provides free booze did you say no and then starting rabbiting on about ANA?

Because I said I have flown Continental before (and others like Delta and United) abroad and gotten free drinks. I just went on about ANA cause it was my most recent one, but you're right I overlooked your asian comment. Blame it on no sleep due to finishing up a research proposal. Blah.

HeartNana
June 3rd, 2011, 09:23
i thought the idea was you'd be spending the majority of your time on that flight socialising and getting to know other JET participants in the hopes they'll bother to remember your name and contact you on those long, lonely nights/weekends living alone in a foreign country? why the hell would you want to segregate yourself by sitting in first class?

i'd rather be sober, cramped and sociable than drinking myself to sleep alone (i'll be doing that enough when i get to Japan!)
Not everyone sits next to other ALTs on their flight anyways...

And even if you do, sometimes you get stuck sitting next to someone who isn't exactly a fun person to talk to. The chances of them being someone you'll remain in contact with is also quite slim. Just cause you're sitting next to an ALT doesn't mean that you're gonna be placed anywhere near them...

Plus 14 hours is a LONG time. Even if you talk to the guy/girl next to you for an hour, you still have 13 hours left. I'd rather spend half those hours asleep than bored.

Cytrix
June 3rd, 2011, 09:40
It's 11 hours for me...plenty of time to sleep, watch some crappy tv show, sleep, drink, sleep, eat the food (I LOVE airplane food...it's my guilty pleasure) and sleep

JackAttack
June 3rd, 2011, 09:41
i thought the idea was you'd be spending the majority of your time on that flight socialising and getting to know other JET participants in the hopes they'll bother to remember your name and contact you on those long, lonely nights/weekends living alone in a foreign country? why the hell would you want to segregate yourself by sitting in first class?

Technically the idea of the flight is to get you to Tokyo, but anyway.

You're assuming that the flight is going to be a big party. Be prepared for the must dull, boring flight ever. I sat next to a Jamaican who was going to my prefecture and I'm still in contact with him, but my flight was extremely quiet. At least where I was sitting. I heard the half of my consulate on the JAL flight was a bit more lively.

Ini
June 3rd, 2011, 09:43
my flight was extremely quiet. At least where I was sitting.

theres an understatement if ever I heard one. Maybe you should have said something instead of staying mute for 14 hours?

uthinkimlost?
June 3rd, 2011, 09:47
(I LOVE airplane food...it's my guilty pleasure)

What do they feed you in NZ that makes microwaved airline food look good?

Tarquin
June 3rd, 2011, 09:48
You're assuming that the flight is going to be a big party. Be prepared for the must dull, boring flight ever.

This. It's not a bloody party flight. You'll make polite conversation to the guy next to you for 20 minutes. Observe the idiot white guy request a Japanese newspaper to show off his Japanese-skillz to all other JETs and then you realise everyone is a cockbag and just drink yourself to sleep.

JAL, BA and ANA all do free booze on their long haul and shorhaul flights. (jal doesn't on domestic though but you get soft drinks. dunno about ANA.)

Cytrix
June 3rd, 2011, 09:49
I just have a thing for food that is individually packaged like airplane food. It's awesome.

JackAttack
June 3rd, 2011, 09:53
theres an understatement if ever I heard one. Maybe you should have said something instead of staying mute for 14 hours?

Well now I know how they decided to split my consulate. They put all the mute people on AA, and all the people with their vocal chords in tact on the JAL flight. Thanks for solving that mystery, Ini. :roll:


JAL, BA and ANA all do free booze on their long haul and shorhaul flights. (jal doesn't on domestic though but you get soft drinks. dunno about ANA.)I think I've only ever gotten free green tea and water on my domestic ANA flights.

MCAS
June 3rd, 2011, 09:58
Sounds good, looks like I'll be picking up a couple good books to bring with me on the flight. By the way, did people swap seats around to sit with different people they had met?

uthinkimlost?
June 3rd, 2011, 10:23
Sounds good, looks like I'll be picking up a couple good books to bring with me on the flight.

http://news.cnet.com/i/tim//2010/07/28/kindle3.jpg

http://paidcontent.org/images/editorial/_original/barnes-noble-nook-simple-touch-o.jpg

Tarquin
June 3rd, 2011, 10:39
That is the cleverest thing uthink has ever said. He may have just peaked.

MCAS
June 3rd, 2011, 10:41
Ugh...E-readers. I have a hard enough time reading long narratives on a computer screen. I'll take the real book thank you very much.

uthinkimlost?
June 3rd, 2011, 10:43
Ugh...E-readers. I have a hard enough time reading long narratives on a computer screen. I'll take the real book thank you very much.

Enjoy the next 2-5 years then, the paper ones are dying out.

MCAS
June 3rd, 2011, 10:54
I don't buy that argument. For the foreseeable future, there will always be people who prefer to have physical copies of books and other such things. I also think e-readers are going to become obsolete in the very near future, as I see publishers moving from dedicated e-readers to direct internet download, allowing those who enjoy E-books to directly download them to their computer or Ipad/Iphone. The only thing standing in the way is creating an effective DRM program for it. I won't be surprised to see Apple come out with a Ilibary in the next couple of years.

Tarquin
June 3rd, 2011, 11:43
Ugh...E-readers. I have a hard enough time reading long narratives on a computer screen. I'll take the real book thank you very much.

And e-reader is nothing like reading on a computer screen. Have you ever actually tried one? I mean e-ink not iPad or nook colour.

Also youre already around 2 years behind now
Apple already have an ebook store for iPad and iPhone.
Amazon have the kindle store which works on kindle devices, iPad, iPhone, android, windows and mac os, all from the amazon website.
DRM has been in place by both companies now for years.

E-readers won't die out. They offer a natural, far superior reading experience to using a LCD based device as they don't cause eyestrain and look like a real book.

ten_of_spades
June 3rd, 2011, 13:07
i thought the idea was you'd be spending the majority of your time on that flight socialising and getting to know other JET participants in the hopes they'll bother to remember your name and contact you on those long, lonely nights/weekends living alone in a foreign country? why the hell would you want to segregate yourself by sitting in first class?

i'd rather be sober, cramped and sociable than drinking myself to sleep alone (i'll be doing that enough when i get to Japan!)

I just read and slept on the flight. No sense in talking to some poindexter who's going to end up in Bumfuck Hokkaido. The people you might want to talk to and get to know are your roommates at the hotel (they're usually matched by prefecture).

Edit: Air Canada does free booze on international flights. Continental also did free booze from the US to Japan, but charged for it on the return flight. Weird!

AVN
June 3rd, 2011, 14:32
I just read and slept on the flight. No sense in talking to some poindexter who's going to end up in Bumfuck Hokkaido. The people you might want to talk to and get to know are your roommates at the hotel (they're usually matched by prefecture).

Edit: Air Canada does free booze on international flights. Continental also did free booze from the US to Japan, but charged for it on the return flight. Weird!

Not sure about before but for the last few years the rooms were grouped by consulate not by prefecture. So if you're from Canada you'll be with Canadians from your area. I came from within Japan and so did all of my roomates.

Jordan
June 3rd, 2011, 17:21
Enjoy the next 2-5 years then, the paper ones are dying out.I doubt if it'll be that quick. There's a whole section of the older generation (and some sentimental people) who will remain a market for books until they all die. I'd say 10-20 years.

EDIT: On a semi-related note do you think e-book makers have been encouraging the tories to close libraries? I would be if I were them.

melty
June 3rd, 2011, 20:34
By the way, did people swap seats around to sit with different people they had met?

I did.

They made all the UK JETs wear huge stickers, so it was really easy to spot people that were heading to Japan. We were meant to arrive at the airport 3 hours early...so we were amoung the first people to check in (so loooads of us asked for the exit seats/ extra legroom spots)

Once we made past security, I still had over an hour to kill, so I found a bar and made friends with some other drinking JETs. Once we got onto the plane, I asked to swap seats with some random people so I could continue to chat/ chill with my new JET pals. We arrived in Tokyo quite early in the morning, so we had a whole free day to wander around and explore (so it was nice to already have a group of friends to share the free-time with...)

melty
June 3rd, 2011, 20:35
EDIT: On a semi-related note do you think e-book makers have been encouraging the tories to close libraries? I would be if I were them.

I hope not...but they probably will. :(

Tarquin
June 3rd, 2011, 22:25
They made all the UK JETs wear huge stickers, so it was really easy to spot people that were heading to Japan.

Oh god I forgot about that.. Mine was conveniently hidden inside my jacket.

MCAS
June 3rd, 2011, 23:48
I did.

They made all the UK JETs wear huge stickers, so it was really easy to spot people that were heading to Japan. We were meant to arrive at the airport 3 hours early...so we were amoung the first people to check in (so loooads of us asked for the exit seats/ extra legroom spots)

Once we made past security, I still had over an hour to kill, so I found a bar and made friends with some other drinking JETs. Once we got onto the plane, I asked to swap seats with some random people so I could continue to chat/ chill with my new JET pals.

Sounds like what I'm planning to do. Check in early, swap seats if I can, then find the bar nearest my gate and make friends with my fellow travelers.

Kittens
June 3rd, 2011, 23:51
I'm just hoping there's tequila.

ten_of_spades
June 4th, 2011, 00:20
They made you wear them? Sounds like a typically Big Brother English thing to do. I think I have mine in the pocket of my carry-on still.


Not sure about before but for the last few years the rooms were grouped by consulate not by prefecture. So if you're from Canada you'll be with Canadians from your area. I came from within Japan and so did all of my roomates.

That could be it too. My roommates were both in my prefecture, but we were also from the same consulate.

Cytrix
June 4th, 2011, 04:38
I'm just hoping there's tequila.

Fuck yeah tequila

Jordan
June 4th, 2011, 05:00
Careful now, I can't see your first night going well if you're both jet lagged and hung over.

Tarquin
June 4th, 2011, 14:05
Exactly. Orientation is mind numbing enough without having to deal with a hangover as well.

Cytrix
June 4th, 2011, 14:25
I don't drink enough to get hungover lately anyway. Plus the jet lag for me is only like...5 hours difference?

I just enjoy the taste of tequila!

Tarquin
June 4th, 2011, 18:05
They made you wear them? Sounds like a typically Big Brother English thing to do. I think I have mine in the pocket of my carry-on still.


tried to might be a better term. The whole thing felt really "special needs". I was expecting the next step to be have us all hold hands as we went through immigration.
Who knows where mine went, it was never seen again.
In my year the Scots managed to evade the wall-of-ToAs and grab a coffee at the airport. They were heros to us all.

Miss_igirisu
June 4th, 2011, 23:44
"special needs"


This is the best way to describe being a British JET n00b. From the big stickers, to being asked if you need to make a stop at the toilet before you get on the bus when you land in Tokyo.

Tyr
June 5th, 2011, 02:41
Airport 3 hours early? Ack. Airport is far enough away for me, hope we fly late at least.


Ugh...E-readers. I have a hard enough time reading long narratives on a computer screen. I'll take the real book thank you very much.
As said they're nothing like reading on a computer screen. The entire point of them is e-paper. Apparently even easier on the eyes than paper.

Books dying out...I would see books becoming more of a small luxury thing. People will buy hardbacks of books they really like. Mass market paperbacks are doomed.

Strange_quark
June 5th, 2011, 02:54
Books dying out...I would see books becoming more of a small luxury thing. People will buy hardbacks of books they really like. Mass market paperbacks are doomed.


I cannot see them becoming a "luxury" - not only have you got the mass of people who dislike ebooks, you've got people who cannot use technology & the millions of people who PREFER normal books even if they use an e-reader, you're also missing a huge part of the book buying experience, which is browsing. You can't replicate the feeling of walking into a bookshop, and walking through the books and their smell, reading the blurb, the sounds and the atmosphere. Until that time, books will always, always be around. I can't see parents or teachers reading books to children on an e-reader, can you?

It's a subject very close to my heart. I worked in a bookshop for a long long time and we had to push the electronic monstrosities. People bought them but still said that they preferred books. They'd come back and buy hard copy books. I think the people that replace their book collections with electronic versions completely must not be enjoying the entire tangible "event" of reading.

Part of the charm and wonder in books is the wear and tear of a paper back. A book holds a story of its owners (which is part of why I love second hand bookshops so much). You can tell at a glance which books a person loves to read the most by looking at the covers, the page edges, the written notes.

I don't want to come across as some crazy book freak but... I am.

*peers out of book castle*

uthinkimlost?
June 5th, 2011, 03:00
I cannot see them becoming a "luxury" - not only have you got the mass of people who dislike ebooks, you've got people who cannot use technology & the millions of people who PREFER normal books even if they use an e-reader, you're also missing a huge part of the book buying experience, which is browsing. You can't replicate the feeling of walking into a bookshop, and walking through the books and their smell, reading the blurb, the sounds and the atmosphere. Until that time, books will always, always be around. I can't see parents or teachers reading books to children on an e-reader, can you?

It's a subject very close to my heart. I worked in a bookshop for a long long time and we had to push the electronic monstrosities. People bought them but still said that they preferred books. They'd come back and buy hard copy books. I think the people that replace their book collections with electronic versions completely must not be enjoying the entire tangible "event" of reading.

Part of the charm and wonder in books is the wear and tear of a paper back. A book holds a story of its owners (which is part of why I love second hand bookshops so much). You can tell at a glance which books a person loves to read the most by looking at the covers, the page edges, the written notes.

I don't want to come across as some crazy book freak but... I am.

*peers out of book castle*

Those same people will still buy ebooks. You can "prefer" all you want, but eventually publishers will hit a breaking point in their profit margins and only produce books as a luxury item. Ebooks are mostly profit, whereas physical books have a high cost to produce.

Publishers want money, not to give you an experience. This is why they have typically released hardcover, trade paper, and mass market copies: to maximize income.

Strange_quark
June 5th, 2011, 03:10
Ebooks are mostly profit, whereas physical books have a high cost to produce.

Publishers want money, not to give you an experience. This is why they have typically released hardcover, trade paper, and mass market copies: to maximize income.

Ebooks have a higher start cost than paperbacks. I know this because a close friend works in the ebook department of Harper and Collins. I cannot remember the figure off the top of my head, so pinch of salt with this one please: IIRC, ebooks cost 20 times as much to publish than a normal ebook. I repeat: pinch of salt with that.

Publishers want to sell as many books as possible. If they're excluding a massive market by not producing paperbacks, they're foolish. Especially when you consider the kind of people (*sob me sob*) who cannot avoid buying a book when going past a bookshop, but rarely buy anything online.

As an aside, hardcovers are notoriously bad profit losers (in the UK at least, except in biographies and cookery books). They have been trying to push sales in them for years but for some reason, they think that people will prefer to pay £17 for a book sooner rather than £8 4 months down the line.

Yes, publishers don't care about the experience, but customers do. It's why chain stores like Waterstone's in the UK spend ridiculous amounts of money on stupid designing frigging pyramid displays (BANE OF MY LIFE). If a customer will buy more hard copies of a product than an electronic one, then a company will invest in that.

As someone who has worked in book sales for many years now (although not in the last year... bloody recession) I'd put my money on books sticking around in their traditional formats, continuing to outsell electronic copies hand over fist for many years to come. Or at least until everyone's stuck on public transport for days at a time. Like that week long traffic jam in China.


I think this is going to be a situation of agreeing to disagree. My experience vs me being afraid of you will bring us to an impasse!

Muffles
June 5th, 2011, 03:31
I'm with Quarky, give me a nice paperback anyday.

uthinkimlost?
June 5th, 2011, 03:33
Luddites, the lot o' ya!

Tyr
June 5th, 2011, 03:46
I cannot see them becoming a "luxury" - not only have you got the mass of people who dislike ebooks, you've got people who cannot use technology & the millions of people who PREFER normal books even if they use an e-reader, you're also missing a huge part of the book buying experience, which is browsing. You can't replicate the feeling of walking into a bookshop, and walking through the books and their smell, reading the blurb, the sounds and the atmosphere. Until that time, books will always, always be around. I can't see parents or teachers reading books to children on an e-reader, can you?Some people will always prefer books...there'll always be some odd people. And of course the concept of ownership is still a big one.
But kids who have grown up in a world of e-books? They'll probally see as much value in real books as I do in records. Kind of cool in a funny novelty way but...I'm never going to get a record player and use them.

Book buying experience- well the same goes for CDs. I love actually buying a CD and having the cool artwork and whatnot. But...money rules so I don't buy them so much.
Of course, with ebooks currently costing stupid prices this factor isn't quite so big yet but...give it time. As demand for books goes down price will go up.
Then of course book shops are already in trouble enough with amazon et al. Browsing just isn't that big a deal.

Reading to kids on an e-reader: with current tech no. But with a colourful animated e-book of 10 years down the line? Much better than a generic boring paper book.

Jordan
June 5th, 2011, 04:14
Depending on what you want and where you go a CD can be cheaper. For example itunes standard £7.99 if it's not on sale price is a chunk more than you'll play for some older CDs in places like Fopp or HMV.

With the education system the way it is we're decades from e-readers-as-standard in school Tyr. Prestige purchases like e-readers that don't really work any better for the classroom than textbooks are hardly top of the list surely.

And like you say, concerns over ownership of electronic goods will hold much of this up. Even stores which guarantee the right to redownload lost materials can and probably will at some stage go bust, leaving you rebuying your collection.

lilyanphino
June 5th, 2011, 05:45
I prefer books over e-books, but I still got a Kindle for graduation because I knew that I couldn't bring all my favorite books over to Japan because I need that luggage space. I do love my Kindle, but books will always be my prefered choice.

Muffles
June 5th, 2011, 06:04
Ha!

uthinkimlost?
June 5th, 2011, 06:12
Ha!

The only thing you read is the back of the microwave meal box!

Muffles
June 5th, 2011, 06:15
Quiet kindle boy!

greengoo
June 5th, 2011, 10:56
I've moved past ebooks to the next evolution in reading: I take authors hostage at gunpoint and make them tell me stories.

Cytrix
June 5th, 2011, 11:14
So...planes...

greengoo
June 5th, 2011, 11:17
So...planes...

Quiet Luddite!

Alphabet
June 5th, 2011, 11:24
Fuckin' nerds.

uthinkimlost?
June 5th, 2011, 11:52
Fuckin' nerds.

You have nerd porn?

Kittens
June 5th, 2011, 12:37
So, back on the subject of tequila.

ten_of_spades
June 5th, 2011, 12:53
Isn't there an agave shortage now?

Alphabet
June 5th, 2011, 14:31
You have nerd porn?

Not into it!

atheistwithfaith
June 5th, 2011, 20:34
Some people will always prefer books...there'll always be some odd people. And of course the concept of ownership is still a big one.
But kids who have grown up in a world of e-books? They'll probally see as much value in real books as I do in records. Kind of cool in a funny novelty way but...I'm never going to get a record player and use them..

But whereas I only experienced records as a yoof when my parents put them on, kids are still going to experience words on paper + books everywhere they go. Schools will not use eBooks for many many years, both in terms of money and because it would never get passed by the government or local boards of education (is that what we even call them in the UK? JET has overwritten my mind with 'BoE'). Then you have all the mail/booklets/magazines/newspapers that you get handed or posted through your mailbox.

I think you may very well see a restructuring of how ordinary books are sold, especially with most major book stores really struggling financially. But they definitely wont disappear.

Tarquin
June 5th, 2011, 23:44
But whereas I only experienced records as a yoof when my parents put them on, kids are still going to experience words on paper + books everywhere they go. Schools will not use eBooks for many many years, both in terms of money and because it would never get passed by the government or local boards of education (is that what we even call them in the UK? JET has overwritten my mind with 'BoE'). Then you have all the mail/booklets/magazines/newspapers that you get handed or posted through your mailbox.

I think you may very well see a restructuring of how ordinary books are sold, especially with most major book stores really struggling financially. But they definitely wont disappear.

Interesting thing that links to this: School replaces books with iPads - The Irish Times - Mon, May 30, 2011 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0530/1224298059002.html)

Kittens
June 5th, 2011, 23:55
I'm sure things will eventually progress to using electronic books, but right now our education system in the USA is so screwed up that it's probably not a priority.

Jordan
June 6th, 2011, 00:26
Interesting thing that links to this: School replaces books with iPads - The Irish Times - Mon, May 30, 2011 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0530/1224298059002.html)
Yeah but it's an all-boys catholic school. What else where they gonna do with their settlement?

Tyr
June 6th, 2011, 00:37
But whereas I only experienced records as a yoof when my parents put them on, kids are still going to experience words on paper + books everywhere they go. Schools will not use eBooks for many many years, both in terms of money and because it would never get passed by the government or local boards of education (is that what we even call them in the UK? JET has overwritten my mind with 'BoE'). Then you have all the mail/booklets/magazines/newspapers that you get handed or posted through your mailbox.

I think you may very well see a restructuring of how ordinary books are sold, especially with most major book stores really struggling financially. But they definitely wont disappear.
Schools still used acorns until I was well into senior school. Didn't mean kids at home were going out to buy them. What schools do tends not to be representative.

And I actually would see schools srteadily adopting e-readers in the not too distant future. Each kid having a reader would be so much easier and cheaper than them having a £30 a pop book for each subject.

Buckeye22314
June 6th, 2011, 01:10
Colleges are using e-texbooks a lot now too in order to cut costs to the students. They're still quite overpriced though :rolleyes:

Muffles
June 6th, 2011, 01:17
So, back on the subject of tequila.
I loveee tequila. But sadly it's the one drink guaranteed to give me a hangover, so unfair.

Strange_quark
June 6th, 2011, 01:45
I loveee tequila. But sadly it's the one drink guaranteed to give me a hangover, so unfair.


I love tequila too.

But unfortunately, when I drink it, I either start fights or do shockingly unacceptable things in public.

Unless I drink that rare breed of silver tequila (which NOWHERE round these parts sells). So none for meeee.

MCAS
June 6th, 2011, 02:52
Colleges are using e-texbooks a lot now too in order to cut costs to the students. They're still quite overpriced though :rolleyes:

I've never heard of that. My school didn't and none of my friends schools did either.

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 02:57
Colleges are using e-texbooks a lot now too in order to cut costs to the students. They're still quite overpriced though :rolleyes:

My college isn't using e-textbooks yet, although there is a store that now rents textbooks instead of that buying/selling crap. Still overpriced of course, but it is kinda worth it in the long run.

Buckeye22314
June 6th, 2011, 03:15
My college isn't using e-textbooks yet, although there is a store that now rents textbooks instead of that buying/selling crap. Still overpriced of course, but it is kinda worth it in the long run.


My school does this too, I think this was the first year. The e-textbooks are new too, maybe OSU was one of the first ones?

Buckeye22314
June 6th, 2011, 03:17
:redface: oops, first double post

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 03:22
Hmmm....I wouldn't be surprised if my university started using e-textbooks soon though. There are too many teachers who don't think about how college students are poor and how the "new and awesome" textbook they picked for their class is going to cost $300. :roll:

uthinkimlost?
June 6th, 2011, 03:39
Physical books as a major commodity have a limited time to be financially viable. Like it, lump it, and bitch about the "feel" of the paperback all you like. Publishers and authors will push digital more and more, especially since you can't pass around your drmed e-copy like a cheap paperback whore.

Jordan
June 6th, 2011, 04:24
My college isn't using e-textbooks yet, although there is a store that now rents textbooks instead of that buying/selling crap. Still overpriced of course, but it is kinda worth it in the long run.
Isn't a place at a university where you "rent" books called the library and you know... free?

uthinkimlost?
June 6th, 2011, 04:25
Isn't there a place at a university where you "rent" outdated and torn books called the library and you know... free?

semi-fixed.

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 04:36
Thank you uthink. Your edit covered what I was going to say. :)

Jordan
June 6th, 2011, 04:53
I dunno, my experience of my own universities' library is that the books are normally in good condition and that there are normally at least a couple copies of major new editions about.

Is that odd?

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 05:19
Honestly, that is pretty odd. My University's library hasn't had the money for new books in about 2 years.

Tyr
June 6th, 2011, 06:01
Isn't a place at a university where you "rent" books called the library and you know... free?
If you're the first guy to run there upon hearing what material a course is to cover.


Generally though at uni most people I know didn't buy text books for the majority of subjects. Not necessary generally. And where they are the internet is available.

JackAttack
June 6th, 2011, 07:16
This has strayed way off topic from the subject of plane tickets, but anyway....

Did no one else write all over the textbooks in college? I was constantly scribbling notes and highlighting stuff in mine. Whenever I needed information from the internet, I usually printed it all so I could write all over that too. I had multiple pages out in front of me when writing papers.

I don't think e-readers will be taking over the world anytime soon. This is much different from things like a record player to an mp3 player now. That was a technology being upgraded to a better and better technology. Books aren't like that. You have something that is not a technology at all being turned into one. A lot of people aren't ready for that.

I do not want an e-reader. Until there is not a book left for me to buy or check-out from the library, then I'm not getting one. I have enough technology that I look at everyday. I have enough technology, enough internet, and enough things that need a battery charged to rely on in my life. For now, I'm leaving books out of it. I love my books. I want pages and a big thing to hold in my hands and my books lined up on my bookshelf. Considering how crowded the bookstore at home was when I was last there and that I only personally know one person with an e-reader, I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this way.


Not sure about before but for the last few years the rooms were grouped by consulate not by prefecture. So if you're from Canada you'll be with Canadians from your area. I came from within Japan and so did all of my roomates.

My roommates were both from my consulate and going to my prefecture. I think everyone was by consulate. I just got lucky because a lot of people from my consulate were going to Hyogo. If there weren't enough people for the same prefecture for one room, then they were roomed with someone really close.

Froren
June 6th, 2011, 08:17
I'm going to bring this back to the topic with a nice transition:

I'm bringing my E-READER and a BOOK to read on the PLANE, which I had a paid for COACH class ticket provided by my consulate's travel agent. Because really, you'd be retarded to pay money for something that's free.

AVN
June 6th, 2011, 08:34
My roommates were both from my consulate and going to my prefecture. I think everyone was by consulate. I just got lucky because a lot of people from my consulate were going to Hyogo. If there weren't enough people for the same prefecture for one room, then they were roomed with someone really close.

I guess this depends on your consulate then. Some consulates are quite small and no one is going to the same prefecture or they're so spread out that you wouldn't notice a grouping like that.

Cytrix
June 6th, 2011, 11:03
I may be joining Froren with an E-READER while TRAVELLING ON A PLANE IN COACH CLASS but it doesn't matter to me because I am a HOBBIT so don't need the extra LEG SPACE.

greengoo
June 6th, 2011, 11:04
I may be joining Froren with an E-READER while TRAVELLING ON A PLANE IN COACH CLASS but it doesn't matter to me because I am a HOBBIT so don't need the extra LEG SPACE.

I was just planning to stuff you in my overhead bin. Hobbit's don't get seats.

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 11:05
I may be joining Froren with an E-READER while TRAVELLING ON A PLANE IN COACH CLASS but it doesn't matter to me because I am a HOBBIT so don't need the extra LEG SPACE.

This.

uthinkimlost?
June 6th, 2011, 11:20
I will be killing PROFESSOR PLUM in the LIBRARY with the LEAD PIPE.

greengoo
June 6th, 2011, 11:23
I will be killing PROFESSOR PLUM in the LIBRARY with the LEAD PIPE.

Which naturally leads us to the Clue movie... and of course...

YVETTE!

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n194/screencapsimade/clue/clue127.jpg

You're welcome, ITIL.

Cytrix
June 6th, 2011, 11:27
Goodness Yvette!

Alphabet
June 6th, 2011, 11:56
I will be killing PROFESSOR PLUM in the LIBRARY with the LEAD PIPE.

Hi5

ten_of_spades
June 6th, 2011, 12:15
Christ, did none of your libraries have course reserves? Even in undergrad, the library would get at least one copy of each textbook that was assigned and place it on 2-hour reserve. At the end of the year, those books would then be in general circulation (even if they were nearly identical to the latest edition:p)

uthinkimlost?
June 6th, 2011, 12:34
Christ, did none of your libraries have course reserves? Even in undergrad, the library would get at least one copy of each textbook that was assigned and place it on 2-hour reserve. At the end of the year, those books would then be in general circulation (even if they were nearly identical to the latest edition:p)

Nope.

lilyanphino
June 6th, 2011, 12:41
Nope. The only way our library would get textbooks is if a professor on campus had written it.

Strange_quark
June 6th, 2011, 16:14
Nope. What they did have was 15 copies on a list given out during first lecture which was the core text for 100 students. It would result in everyone casually walk-running to the library then a battle royale in the stacks.

I just made friends with the departmental staff, student fools!!

Muffles
June 6th, 2011, 16:23
I do love me some Cluedo.

I will be watching the airplane movies!

Strange_quark
June 6th, 2011, 17:19
I do love me some Cluedo.

I will be watching the airplane movies!


Cluedo frustrates me. It's the only board game I have yet to win at. I overcomplicate it. I should probably stop sticking crime scene pictures up on the walls, with strings and pins showing complex patterns of suspect's movements in the house.

I will be singing along to my music.

Sorry in advance (although Muffles, I presume you're a Heathrow departee and will thus escape the Edinburgh group's suffering)

Tyr
June 6th, 2011, 19:33
Lets play D&D on the plane.
Full LARP style.

Jordan
June 6th, 2011, 20:23
There's probably a snakes on a plane themed d20 game out there somewhere.

Cytrix
June 6th, 2011, 20:30
As long as I'm not the girl that gets bitten on the boob

Muffles
June 6th, 2011, 20:33
Cluedo frustrates me. It's the only board game I have yet to win at. I overcomplicate it. I should probably stop sticking crime scene pictures up on the walls, with strings and pins showing complex patterns of suspect's movements in the house.

I will be singing along to my music.

Sorry in advance (although Muffles, I presume you're a Heathrow departee and will thus escape the Edinburgh group's suffering)
Monopoly? Everyone loves a bit of monopoly!

And yep I'm going from Heathrow. Sure i'll witness your singing at the hotel :p

Kittens
June 7th, 2011, 01:58
Okay, our coordinator just sent us flight info, so at least that's something.

Lianwen
June 7th, 2011, 02:20
Lets play D&D on the plane.
Full LARP style.

You can go sit with the MTG people then :(

Strange_quark
June 7th, 2011, 03:40
Monopoly? Everyone loves a bit of monopoly!

And yep I'm going from Heathrow. Sure i'll witness your singing at the hotel :p


My first year flat used to have AMAZING monopoly games. Aww I miss them Y_Y

I get to be the top hat!

uthinkimlost?
June 7th, 2011, 03:47
My first year flat used to have AMAZING monopoly games. Aww I miss them Y_Y

I get to be the top hat!

Every game of monopoly I've ever played has ended 8 hours in with a fistfight.

Muffles
June 7th, 2011, 04:06
My first year flat used to have AMAZING monopoly games. Aww I miss them Y_Y

I get to be the top hat!
That's fine cause I shotgun the doggy!

Strange_quark
June 7th, 2011, 04:11
That's fine cause I shotgun the doggy!

Good choice! I usually go with the Scotty dog, but I'm feeling Toffish XD

Edit: Hah! I've just realised I have a travel Monopoly hanging around somewhere...

lilyanphino
June 7th, 2011, 05:10
I always used the horse piece when I played Monopoly. I haven't played that game in forever though.

Jordan
June 7th, 2011, 05:13
You know we could all play online this evening right?

greengoo
June 7th, 2011, 05:13
You can go sit with the MTG people then :(

As if we'd hang out with LARPers....

Also, dibs on Battleship token!

Tyr
June 7th, 2011, 06:09
You can go sit with the MTG people then :(
Even LARPers think MTG is lame.


Not that I am one. Just thought of a random mad thing to do on a plane. :p

Cytrix
June 7th, 2011, 07:21
I'M THE IRON

Strange_quark
June 7th, 2011, 07:55
Damn straight you are, bitch, now get back to ironing my clothes!

Alphabet
June 7th, 2011, 17:54
You know we could all play online this evening right?

In my opinion, online monopoly sounds SUPER boring. What's the point in buying up shitty properties if you can't wave it around in someone's face and steal $100s when nobody is looking?

Jordan
June 7th, 2011, 18:01
True, but people here seem quite capable of enjoying making fun of each other virtually. I thought they might enjoy it.

ten_of_spades
June 7th, 2011, 21:41
In my opinion, online monopoly sounds SUPER boring. What's the point in buying up shitty properties if you can't wave it around in someone's face and steal $100s when nobody is looking?

See also: law school; being Jewish.

greengoo
June 8th, 2011, 05:46
In my opinion, online monopoly sounds SUPER boring. What's the point in buying up shitty properties if you can't wave it around in someone's face and steal $100s when nobody is looking?

Online you can't yell "Gojira!" And flip the board. Pointless.

SnowRabbit
June 8th, 2011, 05:49
Online you can't yell "Gojira!" And flip the board. Pointless.

That would be amazing if there was a "flip the board" option though. It's an essential part of the game.

Strange_quark
June 8th, 2011, 05:56
That would be amazing if there was a "flip the board" option though. It's an essential part of the game.


Typical American approach to the property market.

It's all about Good Cop Bad Cop with the get out of jail free card.

Cytrix
June 8th, 2011, 06:32
Yeah I get far too competitive to play board games. Like scary competitive. Hence why people always grab me for quiz teams

Muffles
June 8th, 2011, 17:05
If it helps I'm a sore loser.

Cytrix
June 8th, 2011, 18:41
Me too. I used to cry when my Dad bet me at bowling. Awesome story right?

Muffles
June 8th, 2011, 19:57
Ugh don't even get me started on bowling. I absolutely suck.

jumpman85
June 8th, 2011, 21:31
I was never big on board games unless they were the crazy extravagant kind. Like Mouse Trap or that Shark Attack game.

But for the actual flight I plan on sleeping the whole time. I'm out like a light on long trips in any kind of vehicle, and the first time I went I was totally asleep for 9 straight hours. After that I sorta floated in and out of consciousness for the rest. The weaboo that tries making convo with me will be met a stare worthy of my avatar.

Lianwen
June 8th, 2011, 22:25
I only like to play board games when alcohol is involved.

I'm going to go googlesearch for 3ounce hipflasks now.....

SnowRabbit
June 8th, 2011, 23:58
Typical American approach to the property market.

It's all about Good Cop Bad Cop with the get out of jail free card.

Hey that was just 1 time :|


I like donating all of my assets except a single dollar to the least interested/ambitious player, which usually causes the serious players to angrily quit or flip the board for me.

lilyanphino
June 9th, 2011, 00:25
I'd like bowling if it didn't cause my thumb nail to break every single time. (Even when the nail is super-short.)

Buckeye22314
June 9th, 2011, 07:29
I'm only good at bowling if I'm pretty well drunk. I've taken to going bowling sober with people and showing them how awful I am, then when we go back I get wasted and bet $50 that I'll win. Gotten a couple hundred off my various groups of friends. Took my boss for $100, one of the highlights of last year.

MCAS
June 9th, 2011, 07:51
I'm only good at bowling if I'm pretty well drunk. I've taken to going bowling sober with people and showing them how awful I am, then when we go back I get wasted and bet $50 that I'll win. Gotten a couple hundred off my various groups of friends. Took my boss for $100, one of the highlights of last year.

Sharking: Not just for Pool anymore.

Tyr
June 9th, 2011, 08:44
I quite liked board games when I was younger.
Trouble is. Nobody else does. Very rarely got to play them against anyone but myself (cue: sad violin)

Bowling...I've done that once or twice. I'm very hit and miss. Either get a strike or miss all the skittles completely it seems.

Cytrix
June 9th, 2011, 08:55
I like scrabble...and playing fluffy ducks (but it hurts my teeth)