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Nuts&Bolts
September 29th, 2011, 18:52
Hey guys, I have two good referees from when I did my degree but I did a CELTA course earlier this year and had a very good relationship with one of the two tutors who critiqued my teaching. He was also the course leader. It was a 4 week intensive course. I think he would give me the best reference and it would be more relevant. The only problem is I only knew him for 4 weeks, though we have kept in touch since. I also wonder whether it would actually be classified as an "academic reference" as requested. Any input on this would be appreciated.

Thanks!

greengoo
September 30th, 2011, 13:14
I would think that this would qualify as an academic reference, however I would certainly keep the time you've known him/her close to the chest.

You need to realize that there aren't a series of hard-nosed guidelines about this sort of stuff... you get to make up a lot of it as you go along. Thus, if you think it's an academic reference and feel confident saying so, just do it. JET is not as rocket-science specific and particular as people think, just go with your gut and double/triple check everything you do just in case.

uthinkimlost?
September 30th, 2011, 13:28
I personally think it's better to use people that have known you a long time. Both of my references had known me for 4+ years. Someone who has worked with/taught you that long and can still go on for two pages about your awesomeness is a winner in my book.

Murasaki Ookami
November 2nd, 2011, 11:40
Sorry for Hijacking this thread but rather that than make a new one. I just got one of my references back but my referee didn't seal them in an envelope but he provided an envelope. should I just put them in and seal it myself? I don't see anything wrong with this but perhaps I've missed something.

Kewne
November 2nd, 2011, 12:35
Sorry for Hijacking this thread but rather that than make a new one. I just got one of my references back but my referee didn't seal them in an envelope but he provided an envelope. should I just put them in and seal it myself? I don't see anything wrong with this but perhaps I've missed something.

Unless it's different in other countries, the envelope has to be sealed, then signed over the seal. If I understand correctly, he gave you the reference and separately gave you an envelope? Even if he signed the envelope over the seal but didn't seal it, it'd not be lined up correctly if you put the reference in, then sealed it.

Murasaki Ookami
November 2nd, 2011, 17:01
I thought I'd read something like this here before but couldn't find it again. I also can't find reference to it on the Irish materials. If anyone can point it out that would be cool. I do know there are variations in the text from country to country. he's been cool so far so I don't want to be a jerk and ask him to do it again.

Rickithly
November 2nd, 2011, 23:57
I thought I'd read something like this here before but couldn't find it again. I also can't find reference to it on the Irish materials. If anyone can point it out that would be cool. I do know there are variations in the text from country to country. he's been cool so far so I don't want to be a jerk and ask him to do it again.

Having had a quick look at the Irish Jet application site, I can't actually see it mentioning a signature anywhere.

If you are worried, I am sure your reference wouldn't mind putting the reference in a sealed, signed envelope. Although, I guess that depends how local your reference is to you? I am sure I have read some Americans have referees that are three or four states away, so if he is not near you obviously it isn't practical.

I hope this rambling and rather pointless looking post has been of some help. :)

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 01:17
Since this is a thread about references, i was wondering if anyone knows whether it would be ok to use an employer i have only been with 6 weeks. It is a teaching position and i am having a problem with other companies and references. One of my previous employers refuses to give me a reference as they are an 'advertising' company and another only offers references sent directly to the company or sent by email.
Very frustrating only made worse by the fact i am in a foreign country and it is a nightmare to sort everything out!

Merkypie
November 8th, 2011, 02:10
6 weeks is short; for some that's still a probationary period. That doesn't really speak much for an employee as in most cases they're playing it safe. You could try it but don't you know anyone else that really knows your work values? I don't think they're concerned about your teaching ability, that you can express in your SOP, they just need a professional reference to know how you are as an employee.

If you can't secure a professional reference there's always annoying your previous teachers for a reference.

You can also try negotiating with that one company that won't give references to the employee but rather to the company. If you finagle enough, you'll probably find someone that's willing to bend backwards. Just explain how this is a government job and this must be included in your application package.

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 02:47
6 weeks is short; for some that's still a probationary period. That doesn't really speak much for an employee as in most cases they're playing it safe. You could try it but don't you know anyone else that really knows your work values? I don't think they're concerned about your teaching ability, that you can express in your SOP, they just need a professional reference to know how you are as an employee.

If you can't secure a professional reference there's always annoying your previous teachers for a reference.

You can also try negotiating with that one company that won't give references to the employee but rather to the company. If you finagle enough, you'll probably find someone that's willing to bend backwards. Just explain how this is a government job and this must be included in your application package.

:( Tried a couple of people and they haven't got back to me yet. I have also asked a teacher and she said she would do it, however, since i have finished university, i can only use 1 on my application. I am phoning one company tomorrow to see if i can negotiate a reference.

Do you think i should ask for a reference tomorrow and keep it as a back up plan in case all else fails?

Merkypie
November 8th, 2011, 04:33
I say you bother as many people as possible to secure some guaranteed references if you're situation is that dire.

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 05:03
I will do. Shame, i suppose i will be ready for application next year if things don't work out, will carry on teaching English, practice my Japanese and will go on a CELTA course (my teaching position ends in June and can start again in October). :(

Thank you everyone for all your help. I really appreciate it.

hunterofpeace
November 8th, 2011, 05:37
I have also asked a teacher and she said she would do it, however, since i have finished university, i can only use 1 on my application.

Wait, what? I didn't know that was a rule. Is that a UK thing?

I thought that if you were still in university you had to include at least one academic reference but if you weren't you could still use whatever references you felt were best... whether academic or professional.

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 05:45
6 weeks is short; for some that's still a probationary period. That doesn't really speak much for an employee as in most cases they're playing it safe. You could try it but don't you know anyone else that really knows your work values? I don't think they're concerned about your teaching ability, that you can express in your SOP, they just need a professional reference to know how you are as an employee.

If you can't secure a professional reference there's always annoying your previous teachers for a reference.

You can also try negotiating with that one company that won't give references to the employee but rather to the company. If you finagle enough, you'll probably find someone that's willing to bend backwards. Just explain how this is a government job and this must be included in your application package.


Wait, what? I didn't know that was a rule. Is that a UK thing?

I thought that if you were still in university you had to include at least one academic reference but if you weren't you could still use whatever references you felt were best... whether academic or professional.

Oh my, i have misread. It says recent graduates can use 2 academic references. I am going full force and badger all my teachers. :D There is hope!

hunterofpeace
November 8th, 2011, 05:50
Glad we could solve your reference crisis. :)

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 05:57
Glad we could solve your reference crisis. :)

Well, assuming i can attain two references before the deadline. ^_^

hunterofpeace
November 8th, 2011, 06:15
Yup. You're on your own from there, I'm afraid. Try not to fvck up, eh?

Rz1
November 8th, 2011, 06:19
Yup. You're on your own from there, I'm afraid. Try not to fvck up, eh?

The amount of time i have spent with this application, i really hope not. Sometimes i forget i am currently teaching in another country because i am that en-wrapped with the application process. *fingers crossed*

Edit: One reference secured. Now i am waiting on another teacher who agreed to write another. :)

Edit 2: Just thought i would inform everyone that a second teacher is currently writing me a reference. I should be ready before the deadline. :D

Rz1
November 9th, 2011, 05:09
Ah, sugar. On the application it asks for most recent part-time/full time employer.I work 16 hours a week (my current job) teaching and i was wondering if that is classifiable as full-time or part-time. I am guessing part-time by hours.

Also it says occupation and not occupations, does that mean you only need to fill in either part time or full time?

tracey86
November 9th, 2011, 05:36
Ah, sugar. On the application it asks for most recent part-time/full time employer.I work 16 hours a week (my current job) teaching and i was wondering if that is classifiable as full-time or part-time. I am guessing part-time by hours.

Also it says occupation and not occupations, does that mean you only need to fill in either part time or full time?


Yeah, that would class as part time, full time is thirty-something hours plus, so just fill in the part time section. I don't like the way it only asks for one job- I'm doing two part time jobs to make up full time hours, but had to just put the one down (the one I got most recently as it asks for the most up to date one)... yet my reference is from the other and reads like I'm still there as well... I'm just going to make sure I refer to it in my sop, something about working two jobs and time management skills so that they're not totally baffled.

Rz1
November 9th, 2011, 05:42
Yeah, that would class as part time, full time is thirty-something hours plus, so just fill in the part time section. I don't like the way it only asks for one job- I'm doing two part time jobs to make up full time hours, but had to just put the one down (the one I got most recently as it asks for the most up to date one)... yet my reference is from the other and reads like I'm still there as well... I'm just going to make sure I refer to it in my sop, something about working two jobs and time management skills so that they're not totally baffled.

I agree. I found it a little confusing and it would have been more straightforward to have filled in a box asking for your last 5 employers or last 3/5 years of employment history.

Nuts&Bolts
November 9th, 2011, 08:16
So what exactly qualifies as a "recent" graduate. I graduated in June 2010. Does this mean I cannot use 2 academic references? One from my University tutor and one from my CELTA course tutor.

atheistwithfaith
November 10th, 2011, 20:21
So what exactly qualifies as a "recent" graduate. I graduated in June 2010. Does this mean I cannot use 2 academic references? One from my University tutor and one from my CELTA course tutor.

Yes you can still use academic references. But what have you been doing since then? If you have been in a good job, I guess they may wonder why you aren't getting a reference from them. But it's just as probable that they won't care.

Nuts&Bolts
November 12th, 2011, 01:50
Cheers.