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lemsip
November 17th, 2011, 04:44
Hi guys,

I've only seen one other poster on this forum who has done JET twice; just checking are there any others on here?

I was a participant for one year in 2003/04. Do you think this will help or hinder my application? (ie. Will they value experience or prefer newbies?) I could only stay for one year because a family member was terminally ill (I completed my contract). However, now that the 10-year gap has been lifted (UK) I'm going to apply again.

In the time since then I've studied Japanese formally and gained a TEFL. I really would love to get back and stay as long as possible.

Obviously no one can give me a definite answer on this (we all know how mysterious the selection process can be) but any words of encouragement welcome! :)

Rz1
November 17th, 2011, 05:50
Hi guys,

I've only seen one other poster on this forum who has done JET twice; just checking are there any others on here?

I was a participant for one year in 2003/04. Do you think this will help or hinder my application? (ie. Will they value experience or prefer newbies?) I could only stay for one year because a family member was terminally ill (I completed my contract). However, now that the 10-year gap has been lifted (UK) I'm going to apply again.

In the time since then I've studied Japanese formally and gained a TEFL. I really would love to get back and stay as long as possible.

Obviously no one can give me a definite answer on this (we all know how mysterious the selection process can be) but any words of encouragement welcome! :)

In the UK application form, they have a section which you mark if you are a returning JET. Honestly, if you were accepted once, i'd imagine you can get accepted again.

:) Good luck.

BasilG
November 17th, 2011, 12:17
A lady in our prefecture is doing her second stint on JET.
She was a JET just over 10 years ago (when the rule was still implemented), she did the full 3 years the first time around, and is in her 3rd year now. She loves it and is an awesome PA because of her experience.

I think you stand a very good chance of getting accepted again, especially if you have a solid justification of your reasons for leaving after 1 year the first time.

There's a lot of benefits of having a second-timer, and I think there are quite a few JETs here now who have done JET before (the friend I mentioned above has friends who are second timers, but I don't know them personally.)

Good luck!

lemsip
November 17th, 2011, 19:19
Thanks guys, it would mean everything to get back, so I hope I get an interview. A lot of my colleagues when I was there weren't too thrilled about the actual job but I absolutely loved it. I loved using art and music to make things more fun, and I'd love the chance to work in some elementary schools given the opportunity. Thanks again.

melty
November 17th, 2011, 20:45
Good Luck Lemsip!

I spoke to the folks at the Embassy about this a couple of times...it does sound like they might grill you more intently during the interview if you are applying to return on JET.

I am pretty sure that you need to think of extra reasons why you would like to go back to Japan as a JET, and why you think you would be better as a JET for a second time... These ideas are all off the top of my head:

* Maybe mention that you enjoyed helping out during orientations/ mid year seminars - even if you didn't, say you did!
* Mention that you would be happy to help other JETs settle in? /Be interested in the PA role
* You have improved Japanese so that you can communicate better with JTEs?
* (This will sound really cheesey) But you you could say that your time on JET has made you look and question your own culture, and given you more of an interest in UK Culture. You would like the chance to introduce more of this to Japanese School Children???

You basically need to make yourself sound like a super-JET.

A friend of a friend re-applied last year, and I got some decent advice from an ex-PC that helped screen the London applications last year. I'll see if I can find her e-mail...hang on.

melty
November 17th, 2011, 20:50
Found it. :)


I remember speaking with ****edited Embassy staff's name**** about this when I was doing the application screening.

Her biggest issue with 2nd time JETs is that they don't have some kind of career goal or reason for going other than, 'JET used to be really fun and I want to go and have fun again'. Also, she sees JET as a graduate job, so wonders why someone who's older would want to go back and do that again - ie they have no aspirations or goals...

....

Also, in an interview, I'd tell him to try to bring up what he has to offer over 1st time JETs - understand Japanese culture so can adapt quickly, have worked with JTEs, know what team teaching is about, can speak some Japanese, more mature with strong work ethic/work experience, etc. but also stress that it'll be a new experience. I think the other thing ****** had issues with were people who thought their second JET experience would be exactly the same as the first, so saying that you understand that it won't, and are looking forward to new challenges, etc. would be important.

Hope that helps.

I removed the middle section because it was specific advice to the bloke who applied last year...I don't think it would be relevant for you.

Where are you based? If you're in London, come to the next JETAA pub night and we can help you with your application if you want.

lemsip
November 17th, 2011, 23:03
Hi Melty, thanks so much for the reply. Yes, all the things you mentioned I was planning on bringing up if I get granted an interview - I do realise that it will be so much different this time around. I have a more deep-rooted connection with the country and my career aspirations are a lot more focused now. I'll PM you!

melty
November 17th, 2011, 23:55
Hi Melty, thanks so much for the reply. Yes, all the things you mentioned I was planning on bringing up if I get granted an interview - I do realise that it will be so much different this time around. I have a more deep-rooted connection with the country and my career aspirations are a lot more focused now. Is there a PM function where I could send you some more thoughts? Or do I need a certain amount of posts? My email is jarpunk at hotmail dot com if you'd be willing for me to send you an email.:)

It sounds like you'll be fine!!
I'll e-mail now so you have my addy. :)

lemsip
November 18th, 2011, 06:14
Thanks for the help Melty!
And good luck to everyone applying ^_^

mteacher80
November 19th, 2011, 07:08
What would be cool is if having finished 5 years, if I applied again next year i could start on the high end of the new pay scale like a year 6-10 JET. If that were an option i may actually apply - ¥3,900,000 = $50,000 plus at the current exchange rate which is just a little bit more than i am making here.

Lianwen
November 22nd, 2011, 09:29
I wouldn`t mention the part about staying forever, lol.

But, Group A arrivals this year had at least 2 returning JETs, and they def seemed like they had their heads on their shoulders.

Gizmotech
November 22nd, 2011, 12:25
A friend of mine is on his second run. Came back with his family and is using JET as a way to get himself off the ground here. Solid guy.

lemsip
February 10th, 2012, 21:52
Just thought I'd put this thread to bed in case anyone else is in my position in the future. and thinking of applying for a second stint.

I didn't get an interview - I thought my application was solid, but there must have been a lot of good candidates this year. I had no experience at all in 2003 when I was accepted first time around, I hadn't even left the country before - so maybe they are giving similar people the opportunity.

Best of luck everyone. I had a great experience on JET and you will too. I received a job offer in Tokyo this morning, so now I have to decide whether to take it.

wicket
February 10th, 2012, 22:20
of course you'll take it, lemsip! very surprised you didn't get an interview.
to the OP - be ready to answer "why JET again when you could probably easily get a job in japan on your own?"
i talked about having "unfinished business" , such as wanting to be a TOA, wanting to present at seminars, wanting to further sister-school relationships etc.
Good luck!

uthinkimlost?
February 10th, 2012, 22:33
of course you'll take it, lemsip! very surprised you didn't get an interview.
to the OP - be ready to answer "why JET again when you could probably easily get a job in japan on your own?"
i talked about having "unfinished business" , such as wanting to be a TOA, wanting to present at seminars, wanting to further sister-school relationships etc.
Good luck!

...lemsip was the op.

Eudox
February 10th, 2012, 23:11
...lemsip was the op.

A senior moment.

wicket
February 11th, 2012, 09:45
i meant 'original post' rather than 'original poster' but i should have just written 'your original question' or something.

Ini
February 11th, 2012, 10:53
No you didn't

wicket
February 11th, 2012, 15:47
yeah, i did. but only because i've spent the past however many years thinking that 'op' meant 'original post'. i had to google it after util picked me up on it. that's probably worse.

uthinkimlost?
February 11th, 2012, 17:38
to the Original Post - be ready to answer "why JET again when you could probably easily get a job in japan on your own?".......Good luck!

Oh yes, that makes perfect sense.

Prospective
February 11th, 2012, 18:09
It does if you read punctuation, particularly the hyphen, and consider it an abbreviated form of the following:

"Speaking to the original post- xxxx"
or
"As to the original post- xxxx"

Perhaps that's a somewhat Commonwealth turn of phrase, however...

uthinkimlost?
February 11th, 2012, 18:38
Wicket is a senile dingbat. Please refrain from giving her shallow avenues of feigning any degree of awareness of her surroundings.

wicket
February 11th, 2012, 23:31
It does if you read punctuation, particularly the hyphen, and consider it an abbreviated form of the following:

"Speaking to the original post- xxxx"
or
"As to the original post- xxxx"

Perhaps that's a somewhat Commonwealth turn of phrase, however...
unfortunately on ITIL if you don't speak good ol' US of A "english" half of them can't understand.
guess i'd rather be senile than just plain stupid.

uthinkimlost?
February 11th, 2012, 23:45
unfortunately on ITIL if you don't speak good ol' US of A "english" half of them can't understand.
guess i'd rather be senile than just plain stupid.

Good to see you're going for both. Ganbatte!

losdutchmen
February 12th, 2012, 03:06
Always interesting to hear the differing opinions. I'm trying for my second time around. My first tour I stayed for the full three years. It was my first time out of the country, I had zero language skills, and no teaching experience. I had an amazing time though, learned WAY more about their culture than I taught about my own. I remember constantly being in awe of everything, always a new experience.

I kind of worried that applying a second time might look bad, like one of the previous posters mentioned. Why would someone want to take the "graduate" level job if they already had a career path? I worried that being "older" might seem out of place. I even wrote as much in my SoP, saying that I've already had "my turn".

Of course I'm biased, I've got an interview and I really want to go. I've got a career and a direction, as well as new goals if I were to be selected. I think one benefit of coming back a second time is that I've already been "initiated". I've been to Japan already and have "broken the seal" so to speak. I'll still be walking around with a huge grin on my face, but I'm a little more mature and can see things with a different perspective. I'm a different person than I was when I went the first time, and would end up in a totally new situation.

Second timers have a lot of advantages on paper. But everyone here knows there's that element of mystery involved in the selection process. People get chosen for many different reasons. We'll see.

DjinnWired
March 16th, 2012, 08:30
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just heard that we're getting our second second-timer in April...

lemsip
March 22nd, 2012, 23:52
Just an update... I moved to Tokyo last week and I'm living in Shimokitazawa which seems to be the coolest place on earth to live. So always remember that there are still opportunities if you don't get on JET, and it may actually work out better for you location wise...
Good luck to everyone!

mrcharisma
March 23rd, 2012, 09:53
Just an update... I moved to Tokyo last week and I'm living in Shimokitazawa which seems to be the coolest place on earth to live. So always remember that there are still opportunities if you don't get on JET, and it may actually work out better for you location wise...
Good luck to everyone!

If you don't mind me asking what job are you doing there and how much does it cost to live? I'm quitting JET next year and was considering staying around in Japan for a year to live somewhere interesting. Shimokitazawa is pretty much my top choice, great little place.