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bwhat87
October 16th, 2012, 13:49
I know I'll miss American football if I get selected. Watching football is pretty much all I do Sundays from September to February, and no football for a handful of years would be tough. Also, I think I'd miss authentic Mexican food. Nothing like a big 'ol carne asada or carnitas burrito loaded with hot sauce.

I'd love to hear current JETs on what they thought they'd miss, and what they actually miss and see if they match :)

coop52
October 16th, 2012, 13:57
Not too much. A lot of things you think you'd miss are available here. You may have to pay more or do more work to get them, but they're available.

word
October 16th, 2012, 14:16
Lots of friends that speak my native language and aren't just random weirdos that I probably wouldn't hang out with if they weren't the only native English speakers within a hundred miles.

Honestly, I don't think I really miss many tangible things; I can get just about whatever I want here. If I want some kind of good food, I can always just make it myself.

Some things that I miss are related more to JapanDERP situations--like, I miss atms that are open 24 hours and don't close on holidays.

Lychee
October 16th, 2012, 16:01
I miss Trader Joes.

Lianwen
October 16th, 2012, 16:16
Perogies and Stouffer's Mac and Cheese. I can get them....but it's usually a pain in the butt to do so.

Cytrix
October 16th, 2012, 16:46
I miss being 100% literate

lilyanphino
October 16th, 2012, 17:59
I miss crappy American fast food that is only in America. I also miss some of my friends.

hunterofpeace
October 16th, 2012, 20:23
It's mostly people I miss. And Papa John's.

Lychee
October 16th, 2012, 20:26
I miss being 100% literate


That too :|

Gezora
October 16th, 2012, 21:08
It's mostly people I miss. And Papa John's.

This, except replace Papa John's with any crappy American pizza chain.

notjim
October 17th, 2012, 08:28
I miss reading, Kanji gobs up my brain. I miss craft beer...

I also miss olives... god how I miss olives.

Cytrix
October 17th, 2012, 08:31
I miss being able to buy 2kgs of apples for $1 in autumn.

Lychee
October 17th, 2012, 08:44
Ahh I just went to Korea for a weekend and they have Taco Bell!! It was way better than usual too because the employees weren't stoned high school students.

I miss cheap good cheese !

MJN
October 17th, 2012, 08:46
The ability to driver over 50mph without it being speeding.

Antonath
October 17th, 2012, 09:00
I miss (relatively) cheap beer, decent cheese, supermarkets that sell decent whisky, mexican food (yes, I'm a Brit, but that doesn't mean I can't miss it), being able to easily find clothes my size, and 28 degrees being a "heat wave".

When I go home, I will miss shop staff that at least pretend to care, going drinking with all the bar-owners in town, hose-down shower rooms, lively bars that aren't full of drunk fighty people, stupidly fast internet, and decent public transport.

bwhat87
October 17th, 2012, 10:01
I miss reading, Kanji gobs up my brain. I miss craft beer...

I also miss olives... god how I miss olives.

Wait wait wait, craft beer isn't (readily) available? Oh god that's not good -_-

I can't deal with crap beer *cough*bud/miller/anything with "light" in the title*cough*. Gimme a good IPA any day, or a porter, those are good too. Hmmm, gonna have to find some way to smuggle a years worth of good beer into Japan apparently.

Antonath
October 17th, 2012, 10:09
Beer in Japan is Sapporo, Asahi, Kirin, or Suntory. Each produces variations (including limited-run seasonal stuff), but at the end of the day, it's all just plain lager.

coop52
October 17th, 2012, 10:17
We have a bar that has various awesome German beers....for 800+ yen a glass. Hope you like paying an arm and a leg for decent beer.

Gezora
October 17th, 2012, 10:35
Oh duh, I just remembered. Furniture that isn't designed for weird T-Rex armed midgets that doesn't constantly murder my back/knees/legs.

Cytrix
October 17th, 2012, 11:32
Yeah to get a nice Kwak or Chimay I'm looking at shelling out Y1,200 at the local bar that has them.

bwhat87
October 17th, 2012, 12:45
Eewww. I mean, I'll drink a Sapporo at a Japanese restaurant for the "experience" but to have it as my only option? *shudder*

On a side note, is all the furniture really biased against tall people? Cuz if so that's freaking hilarious (and doesn't bode well for me)

coop52
October 17th, 2012, 12:57
Japanese people tend to be short, so they have no reason to built stuff with tall people in mind.

Antonath
October 17th, 2012, 13:13
Not just the furniture. I'm less than six feet tall, and I have to duck when going through doors. Usually in houses, rather than offices or shops, but still.

therealwindycity
October 17th, 2012, 13:28
I miss not having every conversation open with "How do you say -- in English?" or "Where are you from?"

coop52
October 17th, 2012, 13:32
Or "What do you like Japanese food?"

Teishou
October 17th, 2012, 13:50
I miss the car I sold before I came here. :<

Gezora
October 17th, 2012, 14:43
Not just the furniture. I'm less than six feet tall, and I have to duck when going through doors. Usually in houses, rather than offices or shops, but still.

The thing that gets me with furniture is mainly tables. I'll be trying to cram my legs under a tiny table and then have the joy of smashing my knees into the oh so convenient random shelf that's built in under the table, effectively lowering the total amount of leg room a good six inches.

bananallanah
October 17th, 2012, 14:53
Oh duh, I just remembered. Furniture that isn't designed for weird T-Rex armed midgets that doesn't constantly murder my back/knees/legs.

Yes! I'm trying to find a comfortable couch at the moment to make my house look less like I'm squating in it but everything is real low in the back or low to the ground (or way to much money than I'm willing to part with)

sloth
October 17th, 2012, 15:09
Yes! I'm trying to find a comfortable couch at the moment to make my house look less like I'm squating in it but everything is real low in the back or low to the ground (or way to much money than I'm willing to part with)

Yes! The lack of arms on the couches are driving me crazy. I just want a couch that doesn't make feel like I'm sitting on the floor on a cushion. I may just suck it up and pay the extra yen for something decent... *sigh*

MJN
October 17th, 2012, 15:16
I miss the car I sold before I came here. :<

I still have mine sitting in my sister's garage. I'm so tempted to drop the $1000 to import it and sell my K-thing, but I'd have zero clue how to go about it realistically, how easy it is to get registered/insured/shaken'd/etc, or how expensive parts may be here...

Antonath
October 17th, 2012, 15:40
I still have mine sitting in my sister's garage. I'm so tempted to drop the $1000 to import it and sell my K-thing, but I'd have zero clue how to go about it realistically, how easy it is to get registered/insured/shaken'd/etc, or how expensive parts may be here...
If you imported a Japanese car, that had been made in Japan, and was hand-signed by the president of the company, Japan would still find ways to screw you for importing a "foreign" car. All those things you listed (registration, insurance, shaken, etc) are simply further opportunities to take your money.

Teishou
October 17th, 2012, 16:00
Oh man, I would love to have my old car here with me now. It switches from mph to kph fast enough...do want.

Gizmotech
October 17th, 2012, 16:02
I miss being able to wank to Japanese porn w/o worrying they might be or have been my student.

Seriously, I miss Cheese, deli meat, beer variety, lebanese and greek food.

therealwindycity
October 17th, 2012, 16:26
lebanese and greek food.

This!

patjs
October 18th, 2012, 10:25
I used to miss beer, deli meat/sandwiches, Chicago pizza, having conversations that weren't the same variation on some script all Japanese people must memorize, and being able to watch football and hockey live.

Being home, I miss public transportation, the food, some people, izakaya-style drinking, people that are at least on the surface polite and kind, and not ever having to fear some one is going to have a gun.

greengoo
October 18th, 2012, 11:10
Replace "friends," "family," and "Papa John's" with "Taco Bell."

Taco Bell

/thread

notjim
October 18th, 2012, 11:56
I am so glad I learned to despise taco bell before I came here.

Though I really really do miss Mexican food.

bwhat87
October 18th, 2012, 12:46
I used to miss beer, deli meat/sandwiches, Chicago pizza, having conversations that weren't the same variation on some script all Japanese people must memorize, and being able to watch football and hockey live.

Being home, I miss public transportation, the food, some people, izakaya-style drinking, people that are at least on the surface polite and kind, and not ever having to fear some one is going to have a gun.

Izakaya-style drinking? Wuzzat?

MJN
October 18th, 2012, 13:27
If you imported a Japanese car, that had been made in Japan, and was hand-signed by the president of the company, Japan would still find ways to screw you for importing a "foreign" car. All those things you listed (registration, insurance, shaken, etc) are simply further opportunities to take your money.

Yea, it's a Volkswagen so yea, not a chance.

Plus, considering what Japanese people think of European cars, I'll get KANIMOCHIIIIINAAAAA just sprayed at me wherever I go, despite it being a fairly cheap car.

abbajen
October 19th, 2012, 02:15
I missed cheese that wasn't all the same flavor, spicy food, the combination of chocolate and caramel, and most of all, I missed my cat. Now that I'm home, I miss karaoke, the delicious, cheap veg restaurants, Japanese cake, and not having to drive. God, do I hate driving. It's only 3 miles and 7 minutes to my current school, but this morning I had 3 deer jump out in front of me. BTW, I live in a city.

mteacher80
October 21st, 2012, 20:10
Misses my guns and shooting ranges. Not being the fat guy.

mothy
October 25th, 2012, 01:08
Having a soul.

word
October 25th, 2012, 08:27
Having a soul.
The longer I live here, the less funny this is.

MJN
October 25th, 2012, 13:04
Fortunately the less soul you have, the less you care, too.

What do I know though, I'm ginger. Not like I had one to start.

patjs
October 28th, 2012, 13:19
The longer I live here, the less funny this is.

Big reason I left.

Tyr
October 31st, 2012, 11:24
Young people who don't just socialise with the same little group they've known forever and rarely go out
Pubs
Music
Kebabs
TV
Not having to bow as I go through doors in my own home
City centres
Public transport
Real beer
Pie

notjim
October 31st, 2012, 13:33
...I forgot about pie....

Japan doesn't have public transport? Its 10000 times better than where I'm originally from.

coop52
October 31st, 2012, 13:52
Japan has great public transport, as long as you're in a major city.

Antonath
October 31st, 2012, 13:55
Japan has great public transport, as long as you're in a major city.
This. There's a reason everyone advises the newbies to get their driving licences before they come over.

word
October 31st, 2012, 16:21
word

There's a public transportation system in my inaka, and it's great as long as you don't mind scheduling your entire life around it and the fact that it takes at least twice as long to get you anywhere as it would if you just drove.

Cytrix
November 6th, 2012, 15:36
Marked some written work by kids today and one kid wrote about hoping to see the Milky Way one day. It made me realise how much I miss being able to see the stars so clearly and the night sky actually being black as opposed a grey/orange (even out here in the country where I am).

I miss the starssss (and the Aurora Australias right out my back door)

MJN
November 6th, 2012, 16:10
Stars can be amazing in my Japan, most of the valley is so dark at night I'm completely blind.

bananallanah
November 6th, 2012, 18:11
I can see the stars here really clearly but I do get disoriented not being able to see the Southern Cross above me.
Before I left my last job I was teaching about Pleiades (or Matariki in NZ, Subaru in Japan) and I could find it in the sky using other constellations, can't do it here!

Cytrix
November 6th, 2012, 18:46
There just don't seem to be as many stars as there are back at home. Light pollution and all that jazz.

Also right now I am missing the crap out of chips and onion dip. OH GODDD

word
November 6th, 2012, 19:00
Yeah, I was gonna say; I see a lot fewer stars here than in the areas of Texas in which I lived. Near the cities, of course, you can't see pretty much anything except the moon, but if I were as far out in the Texas inaka as I am in Japan's inaka, I could literally read by starlight. Nothing like that here, that I've seen.

bananallanah
November 6th, 2012, 19:10
There just don't seem to be as many stars as there are back at home. Light pollution and all that jazz.

Also right now I am missing the crap out of chips and onion dip. OH GODDD

Yeah there do seem to be less stars than back home.
Oh god, I'm getting some of that as part of my Christmas present...too bad we're ages away from each other :P
So freakin' delicious.

Cytrix
November 6th, 2012, 21:41
I hate you 5ever

At least my sister is bringing me baked beans and HP sauce this Friday. I will have to ask mum for reduced cream and onion soup mix for my Christmas parcel I think...

bananallanah
November 6th, 2012, 21:50
I hate you 5ever

At least my sister is bringing me baked beans and HP sauce this Friday. I will have to ask mum for condensed milk and onion soup mix for my Christmas parcel I think...

Just as long as it's reduced cream and not condensed milk you'll be sweet!
A friend of mine could never work out why no one ever ate her onion dip and it took her years to figure out it's because she was using the wrong can....Hilarity.

Also you should get a couple spare packets of onion soup and make CHEESE ROLLLLLLS the Southland specialty.

Cytrix
November 6th, 2012, 22:08
Just as long as it's reduced cream and not condensed milk you'll be sweet!
A friend of mine could never work out why no one ever ate her onion dip and it took her years to figure out it's because she was using the wrong can....Hilarity.

Also you should get a couple spare packets of onion soup and make CHEESE ROLLLLLLS the Southland specialty.

DERPPP meant reduced cream.
And oh godddddd cheese rolls. Definitely a must do.

Page
November 7th, 2012, 10:36
Might wanna have a look in your FARNER fuuds store if you're ever nearby. I usually want to buy condensed milk but can only find gd cream. (Unless I'm mistaking your kiwi werds and I'm thinking of a different cream).

Cytrix
November 7th, 2012, 12:05
I derped up. It's made from reduced cream rather than condensed milk. Haven't seen it here...it seems a very kiwi thing the reduced cream

Gizmotech
November 7th, 2012, 12:07
And british. You eat it on scones and such. Clotted cream is the same thing I think.

Cytrix
November 7th, 2012, 22:31
Nope not the same thing at all. Reduced cream is a savoury milk product (here (http://www.nestle.co.nz/brands/MilksBaking/Pages/ReducedCream.aspx)). Just the thought of normal cream/sweet cream with onion soup mix is making me want to vomit

kurisu
November 8th, 2012, 15:04
Playing video games with my little brother and sister and joking until our stomaches are in pain from laughter.

Authentic international/various food tastes, aka not having every food product in the entire country tainted with `Japanese` flavor.

Being able to play basketball without playing with middle schoolers.

Full literacy.

Driving around in my car with the windows down on the way downtown playing music.

More comfortable living arrangements. Dry machine for clothing rather than hanging. Big kitchens for cooking. Basically not being in this overpriced, tiny apartment. Not paying insane amounts of money whenever I want to eat outside of home.

Solidly built, and up to date infrastructure. Something other than the wasteland of crumbling buildings with no insulation that are everywhere outside of the few massive cities of Japan.

Not having repetative conversations with anyone that you meet.

zero
November 8th, 2012, 15:27
Playing video games with my little brother and sister and joking until our stomaches are in pain from laughter.

Authentic international/various food tastes, aka not having every food product in the entire country tainted with `Japanese` flavor.

Being able to play basketball without playing with middle schoolers.

Full literacy.

Driving around in my car with the windows down on the way downtown playing music.

More comfortable living arrangements. Dry machine for clothing rather than hanging. Big kitchens for cooking. Basically not being in this overpriced, tiny apartment. Not paying insane amounts of money whenever I want to eat outside of home.

Solidly built, and up to date infrastructure. Something other than the wasteland of crumbling buildings with no insulation that are everywhere outside of the few massive cities of Japan.

Not having repetative conversations with anyone that you meet.

Looks like someone needs a plane ticket and a spellchecker.

word
November 8th, 2012, 15:37
Driving around in my car with the windows down on the way downtown playing music.?

I do this any day it's nice enough to roll my windows down.


More comfortable living arrangements. Dry machine for clothing rather than hanging. Big kitchens for cooking. Basically not being in this overpriced, tiny apartment.Purchased dryer for >1man during my first October. Moved during my second year to a gigantic house. This one's on you, man.


Something other than the wasteland of crumbling buildings with no insulation that are everywhere outside of the few massive cities of Japan.Heh. Have you been to the cities? They're usually even worse.


Looks like someone needs a plane ticket and a spellchecker.lol

zero
November 8th, 2012, 16:40
Driving around in my car with the windows down on the way downtown playing music.


Yeah, I do this all the time too. I can't imagine why being in Japan prevents you from doing this.

Cytrix
November 8th, 2012, 18:20
I drive around screaming out my fave 90's music with my windows down and I don't gasff

Cytrix
November 8th, 2012, 18:35
But in all seriousness: lawns. The smell of freshly cut lawns. Being able to run around on a lawn and know it's just grass and nothing else.

Seriously a friend just put up a lovely sunny picture of her and her family on their lush green lawn and it was such a foreign concept to me...

kurisu
November 10th, 2012, 17:15
Yeah, I do this all the time too. I can't imagine why being in Japan prevents you from doing this.

Because a few years ago, one of the JETs in the area got in a drunk driving situation and was deported. Since then, no JETs in my city are allowed to own vehicles in any way, shape, or form, and even if we did somehow manage to get one without anyone knowing, we wouldn't be allowed to use them for transportation to/from school thus defeating most of the purpose.

You couldn't imagine a rule against vehicles? It's not that uncommon in JET.

kurisu
November 10th, 2012, 17:21
?

I do this any day it's nice enough to roll my windows down.

Purchased dryer for >1man during my first October. Moved during my second year to a gigantic house. This one's on you, man.

Heh. Have you been to the cities? They're usually even worse.

lol

1. See last response.

2. I have shopped for dryers. There are no dryers anywhere near 1 man in my area and if I did buy one, there is literally no room in my apartment. Finding and moving into another house without help from my BOE (as they won't help citing they already have a place for me, etc.) is an utter pain in the ass, a huge process, expensive, etc. and not doable for a *possible* 9 month time frame considering I could be returning home next year. So as much as it is "on me," it's not logical to do so.

3. Yes I have been to almost all of the big cities in Japan, and my city itself isn't SO small. About 360,000 or so people, I think. The big cities aren't so bad. Anything smaller is shit though.


Given all of these situations though, I still do love Japan and it has many positive points. This thread is talking about what I miss so that's what I listed. No reason to get a plane ticket back yet.

Lol though @ the plane ticket comment because of these claims compared with some of the constant situation loathing bullshit that gets said on these forums day in and day out.

kurisu
November 10th, 2012, 17:21
But in all seriousness: lawns. The smell of freshly cut lawns. Being able to run around on a lawn and know it's just grass and nothing else.

Seriously a friend just put up a lovely sunny picture of her and her family on their lush green lawn and it was such a foreign concept to me...

Completely second this as well.

Gizmotech
November 10th, 2012, 18:09
Because a few years ago, one of the JETs in the area got in a drunk driving situation and was deported. Since then, no JETs in my city are allowed to own vehicles in any way, shape, or form, and even if we did somehow manage to get one without anyone knowing, we wouldn't be allowed to use them for transportation to/from school thus defeating most of the purpose.

You couldn't imagine a rule against vehicles? It's not that uncommon in JET.

I can imagine rules, but you can't legislate someones personal life like that. They can freely say you can't drive to work and park there, but they can't prevent you from owning a car.


1. See last response.

2. I have shopped for dryers. There are no dryers anywhere near 1 man in my area and if I did buy one, there is literally no room in my apartment. Finding and moving into another house without help from my BOE (as they won't help citing they already have a place for me, etc.) is an utter pain in the ass, a huge process, expensive, etc. and not doable for a *possible* 9 month time frame considering I could be returning home next year. So as much as it is "on me," it's not logical to do so.


Ahh, as for room they all have frames that are bolted onto the washer and support the dryer above it. That is how mine is setup.

But why would you expect to find a dryer for 100$ when you couldn't get one at home for that price either?

word
November 10th, 2012, 19:38
You couldn't imagine a rule against vehicles? It's not that uncommon in JET.
I can imagine rules, but you can't legislate someones personal life like that. They can freely say you can't drive to work and park there, but they can't prevent you from owning a car.word

Like, srsly. There is absolutely no legal basis for preventing a JET from owning a vehicle. Your BoE can do precisely nothing about it, should you decide to buy a vehicle (aside from not renewing your contract, but is that really a problem?).

Such "rules" are just racism. Racism is bullsh*t. Rosa Parks wouldn't put up with it and neither should you.


I have shopped for dryers. There are no dryers anywhere near 1 man in my area and if I did buy one, there is literally no room in my apartment.Check recycle shops; that's where I picked mine up. It's worked pretty much flawlessly for the past 3+ years. There are special shelves that you can buy to mount them above your washer, but I just bought a collapsible shelving system to put mine about it. They pretty much have to be mounted above the washer, because they drain water out a little hose at the bottom, unlike Western dryers. Your washer will have a special inlet for a dryer drainage hose.

The thing is f*cking awesome in the winter. MG and I toss our day's clothes in there for a few minutes before we get dressed every morning--toasty warm, dry clothes every day!


Finding and moving into another house without help from my BOE (as they won't help citing they already have a place for me, etc.) is an utter pain in the ass, a huge process, expensive, etc. and not doable for a *possible* 9 month time frame considering I could be returning home next year.Yeah, my BoE didn't help me, either. It was a bit of a pain, but not particularly expensive or anything (well, curtains for the entire place ran a couple of man). The cost of replacing the tatami is gonna be sh*tty when we leave, though. Luckily, we've been saving up for it in a special account.


So as much as it is "on me," it's not logical to do so. Eh, that makes sense, but c'mon, guy.


Yes I have been to almost all of the big cities in Japan, and my city itself isn't SO small. About 360,000 or so people, I think. The big cities aren't so bad. Anything smaller is shit though.Wow, you've done some srs traveling. You don't seem very observant, though. Most buildings in Tokyo, with a few notable exceptions, are f*cking rotting sh*tholes built decades ago using inferior design and construction methods. The roads--even the expressways--are laughingly inadequate. Don't get me wrong, it's a bumpin' place, but "solidly-built, up-to-date infrastructure" it is most certainly not. Same goes for Nagoya. And Kyoto. I haven't spent enough time in Osaka to judge it. The one time I've been way down south (Shimonoseki, Fukuoka), I was appalled at the skeaziness of the cities--Busan was significantly nicer. Shimonoseki is approaching Vietnam-like levels of skeaziness (not that I mind; I love Vietnam) with fewer motorbikes.

I'm just sayin', while I don't disagree with your comments regarding the sh*ttiness of Japan's construction in the suburban/rural areas, I do disagree that the cities are any better. They're not. There's more stuff (and people) to do (teehee), and they're infinitely more convenient places to live than the rural areas, but they're just as sh*tty and showing just as many indications of Japan's decline from the "bubble years" as anywhere in the countryside.


This thread is talking about what I miss so that's what I listed. No reason to get a plane ticket back yet. No worries, man; I was just givin' you sh*t 'cause it seemed like (to me) that so many of your issues could be pretty easily resolved.

kurisu
November 10th, 2012, 20:47
word

Like, srsly. There is absolutely no legal basis for preventing a JET from owning a vehicle. Your BoE can do precisely nothing about it, should you decide to buy a vehicle (aside from not renewing your contract, but is that really a problem?).

Such "rules" are just racism. Racism is bullsh*t. Rosa Parks wouldn't put up with it and neither should you.


While this is correct, and of course, all of the ALTs here have had this conversation 100 times, it is a lot of trouble to go against it, and then deal with the, even if only social, repercussions. Although it may not be a REAL rule, they say to all of us, "You are not allowed to have cars, or if you somehow manage to get one on your own, you cannot use it for work." And they pay for our public transportation in it's place. Even though I am stuck walking through rice fields and shit in the horrible snowy winter of the North and all that.

I don't know about it being "racism" but it is definitely discriminatory against our positions and status in their country. But of course, "not putting up with it" sounds like a valiant cause and all, but again, just as moving (15 man key money, contracts in japanese, moving companies, etc.) it's not really efficient or worth it on my end to go against it. Maybe I could fight tooth and nail against all of this, but I am just saying I wish I was in the situation in the first place that I didn't have to deal with it. (Which is not too uncommon or crazy to ask.)

word
November 10th, 2012, 21:14
If they don't prevent your Japanese coworkers from owning cars, then it's racism. There is nothing inherently notable about our positions as employees that makes us any more dangerous than a Japanese driver, assuming we have fulfilled the legal requirements for operating a motor vehicle in Japan (and most certainly if we have a Japanese driver's license). I would argue that it's racism to prevent you from driving to work if they permit your native coworkers to do so, and I would absolutely point this fact out and fight it if I were in your place.

However, they do have the legal right to prevent you from driving to and from work (though they almost certainly shouldn't).

LOL @ "somehow manage to get one on your own." Just buy one? I've done it five times (six, if you count the scooter)!

I mean, why do they even have to know? It's none of their business.

The fact that all of this is happening because of the actions of one previous foreign employee is even more appalling. One foreign guy did this, so no foreign people can be trusted? Racism, pure and simple.

I'm sorry you're in this sh*t position, but if you want a car, you absolutely can and should buy one. Just don't mention it to them and follow their rules concerning operation of the vehicle during work hours and on school premises.

zero
November 10th, 2012, 21:24
Because a few years ago, one of the JETs in the area got in a drunk driving situation and was deported. Since then, no JETs in my city are allowed to own vehicles in any way, shape, or form, and even if we did somehow manage to get one without anyone knowing, we wouldn't be allowed to use them for transportation to/from school thus defeating most of the purpose.

You couldn't imagine a rule against vehicles? It's not that uncommon in JET.

So you meant "I miss having a car"? That I could understand.

I can see you typing long essays to word but all I can see is "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Antonath
November 10th, 2012, 22:04
Because a few years ago, one of the JETs in the area got in a drunk driving situation and was deported. Since then, no JETs in my city are allowed to own vehicles in any way, shape, or form, and even if we did somehow manage to get one without anyone knowing, we wouldn't be allowed to use them for transportation to/from school thus defeating most of the purpose.

You couldn't imagine a rule against vehicles? It's not that uncommon in JET.
Seeing how often this comes up in the Clair newsletter, it's pretty obvious that plenty of COs have this rule and plenty of JETs are arguing it. My guess is they make a "special exception" for the fighty JET, then go right back to being racist SOBs as soon as they're gone.

kurisu
November 11th, 2012, 13:27
So you meant "I miss having a car"? That I could understand.

I can see you typing long essays to word but all I can see is "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

If I meant "I miss having a car" I would have wrote that. I had a particular memory of hanging out with my friends and driving around listening to music that I felt nostalgic about hence what I wrote originally.

My comment to word was about "racism." I do not think they are taking that stance against JET's because we are a different race. They are doing it because of our position, their inherited responsibilities of us, and their unfounded way of handling the subsequent events of a past situation that shouldn't apply to us. Yes it may be wrong, but I do not think it is racism. That was my only point.

Andd, the "waaaaa" comment.. It wasn't funny. You aren't funny. It was stupid and you should feel bad for typing it.

shinroku
November 11th, 2012, 13:58
...if I were as far out in the Texas inaka as I am in Japan's inaka, I could literally read by starlight.

Wait really?!?! this sounds magical O_O

Teishou
November 11th, 2012, 15:00
If I meant "I miss having a car" I would have wrote that. I had a particular memory of hanging out with my friends and driving around listening to music that I felt nostalgic about hence what I wrote originally.

My comment to word was about "racism." I do not think they are taking that stance against JET's because we are a different race. They are doing it because of our position, their inherited responsibilities of us, and their unfounded way of handling the subsequent events of a past situation that shouldn't apply to us. Yes it may be wrong, but I do not think it is racism. That was my only point.

Andd, the "waaaaa" comment.. It wasn't funny. You aren't funny. It was stupid and you should feel bad for typing it.

Perhaps you don't want to use a word as strongly as "racism". Fine. However, you cannot even dare say it's not discrimination. That kind of discrimination is ridiculous, and dangerous when there is bad weather or unfortunate circumstances. I say you fight idiocy like that, but it's up to you.

And, just so we're clear, Zero was not trying to be funny. She was trying to point out your endless whining. If you don't like your situation, do something about it. If you don't care, shut up about it and leave everyone else alone.

zero
November 11th, 2012, 15:12
And, just so we're clear, Zero was not trying to be funny. She was trying to point out your endless whining. If you don't like your situation, do something about it. If you don't care, shut up about it and leave everyone else alone.

Yeah there's a Minor Rants thread, you know.
I thought this thread was more like "oh I miss certain foodstuffs that aren't easily available here" and "oh I miss my dog" rather than complaining about your housing/car situation.

word
November 11th, 2012, 18:32
I chose the word "racism" intentionally; it's a charged and provocative word, even amongst the Japanese. It gets results. "Discrimination" tends to permit a bit of wiggle room, and Japanese bureaucracy is absolutely masterful at "wiggling" their way out of responsibility for blatantly inappropriately discriminatory rules and actions.

Teishou is right--this kind of discrimination is unacceptable no matter what sort of label is applied to it; it requires the assumption that some people are inherently less capable than native Japanese people (I don't mean to single out the Japanese; many people in many nations are guilty of this behaviour), and it is not cool.

I think, honestly, this is part of why we're here. Even if I lived in downtown Nagoya, I would bristle at the thought of my employer preventing me from owning a car, despite my legal right to do so, merely because I was not born in Japan. I would stand for the rights of any capable foreign person to own and operate a vehicle in the United States, and expect no less from my coworkers and employers in Japan.

This is a bit of a touchy subject for me, because, coming from Texas, I have faced this issue head-on back home. NAFTA required that the US allowed Mexican truckers free access to US roads, but this access has been opposed at nearly every turn, generally under the guise of "safety," but it is blatantly obvious that what's really happening is outright racism, and it is unacceptable.

So, yeah, I dunno. Sorry to go off on this tangent. I just think that this is some important sh*t and should be dealt with. I don't wanna go all Debito on Japan's arse or anything, but this sort of institutionalized, openly-accepted discrimination is bullsh*t.

I'll put my money where my mouth is, if you'd like.

word
November 11th, 2012, 18:36
Wait really?!?! this sounds magical O_O
It is pretty awesome; there are many areas out in the less-populous, western regions of Texas that permit such visibility at night. Like, you can see the Milky Way with vivid clarity, just like in those awesome, long-exposure pictures and time-lapse videos. You won't cast a shadow; the light is far too diffuse, but you can easily read text and see for miles if the air is clear. It's badass.

Especially if you're wasted.

kurisu
November 11th, 2012, 21:53
Perhaps you don't want to use a word as strongly as "racism". Fine. However, you cannot even dare say it's not discrimination. That kind of discrimination is ridiculous, and dangerous when there is bad weather or unfortunate circumstances. I say you fight idiocy like that, but it's up to you.

And, just so we're clear, Zero was not trying to be funny. She was trying to point out your endless whining. If you don't like your situation, do something about it. If you don't care, shut up about it and leave everyone else alone.

No shit, no one said anything about it not being discrimination so you are making a case of contesting against no one. If the outcome of what would be a strenuous, long, tedious fight would not be pretty unrewarding when all is said and done, maybe I would fight it. I don't give a fuck about it enough to go against the whole system to make my point just to prove the system was discriminating because everyone in my city already knows that. 25 different people feel this way, and no one feels like fighting it because it's just not worth it for what would be a stupid moral crusade with an anticlimactic ending.

And 'just so we are clear' no one is endlessly whining. My original post is a simple list of the things I missed. All of you started responding with "ohmahgosh I do these things all the time, why can't you, rahrah" when you have no clue of my situation at all. The point of this thread was to list things you missed right? If the negatives of my situation outweighed the positives I would do something, but as of now, I will deal with some of the hardships until I go back home. No one was in here "whining and complaining" like you are saying until I was explaining situations to people who started commenting when they don't know what they are talking about coming from a completely outside situation. "Leave everyone alone"? YOU are the ones responding to me and continuing the discourse on my situation. If you shut up and kept your lame, non-constructive comments out of the thread, my involvement in this thread would literally have been a list of the things I personally missed about home as it was intended. Here's to hoping you aren't dense enough to continue this with more sideways talking. Cheers.

kurisu
November 11th, 2012, 21:59
I chose the word "racism" intentionally; it's a charged and provocative word, even amongst the Japanese. It gets results. "Discrimination" tends to permit a bit of wiggle room, and Japanese bureaucracy is absolutely masterful at "wiggling" their way out of responsibility for blatantly inappropriately discriminatory rules and actions.

Teishou is right--this kind of discrimination is unacceptable no matter what sort of label is applied to it; it requires the assumption that some people are inherently less capable than native Japanese people (I don't mean to single out the Japanese; many people in many nations are guilty of this behaviour), and it is not cool.

I think, honestly, this is part of why we're here. Even if I lived in downtown Nagoya, I would bristle at the thought of my employer preventing me from owning a car, despite my legal right to do so, merely because I was not born in Japan. I would stand for the rights of any capable foreign person to own and operate a vehicle in the United States, and expect no less from my coworkers and employers in Japan.

This is a bit of a touchy subject for me, because, coming from Texas, I have faced this issue head-on back home. NAFTA required that the US allowed Mexican truckers free access to US roads, but this access has been opposed at nearly every turn, generally under the guise of "safety," but it is blatantly obvious that what's really happening is outright racism, and it is unacceptable.

So, yeah, I dunno. Sorry to go off on this tangent. I just think that this is some important sh*t and should be dealt with. I don't wanna go all Debito on Japan's arse or anything, but this sort of institutionalized, openly-accepted discrimination is bullsh*t.

I'll put my money where my mouth is, if you'd like.

You can feel that way, it is completely fine and understandable. Are you currently out fighting against this sort of situation you feel so wronged by in a moral way? How has it been going? Did you only care about it enough morally to handle your personal situation, or do you care about it in it's implied message and application to do something about it on a longer scale and hope to get it changed? If your "fight" against it stopped at buying yourself a car even if they told you no, that is nothing. "I would fight against it if I were you." Why? I don't need a car that bad, I simply stated I missed it. Please tell me how your fight against the racist system is going. How are you standing for the rights of the capable foreigners? Or do you mean, you just keep those feelings of them being in the right in your head to use for discussions on web forums? Because that would really show how little you actually care about the matter.

Again, I am with you on thinking it is wrong, but you guys are really looking at the situation in a very different, polarized way than you should be.

kurisu
November 11th, 2012, 22:00
Yeah there's a Minor Rants thread, you know.
I thought this thread was more like "oh I miss certain foodstuffs that aren't easily available here" and "oh I miss my dog" rather than complaining about your housing/car situation.

Read my original post in this thread and how I approached it, presented it, and ended it. Then read your sentences above again and tell me what the fuck you are talking about please.

word
November 11th, 2012, 22:35
You can feel that way, it is completely fine and understandable. Are you currently out fighting against this sort of situation you feel so wronged by in a moral way? How has it been going? Did you only care about it enough morally to handle your personal situation, or do you care about it in it's implied message and application to do something about it on a longer scale and hope to get it changed? If your "fight" against it stopped at buying yourself a car even if they told you no, that is nothing. "I would fight against it if I were you." Why? I don't need a car that bad, I simply stated I missed it. Please tell me how your fight against the racist system is going. How are you standing for the rights of the capable foreigners? Or do you mean, you just keep those feelings of them being in the right in your head to use for discussions on web forums? Because that would really show how little you actually care about the matter.

Again, I am with you on thinking it is wrong, but you guys are really looking at the situation in a very different, polarized way than you should be.You're right to call me out on this sh*t.

The fact is, I'm in an awesome placement. The ALTs around me are in awesome placements. None of us is obviously discriminated against in any significant way (aside from the usual "the gaijin is incapable of understanding Japanese culture because s/he is a gaijin" way).

I don't think that there is a "racist system" at play, and I'm sorry if I implied otherwise. I do think that there is a system that allows racism (not only to exist, but to flourish in some cases).

I absolutely meant that I'd put my money where my mouth is, though. If you'll PM me with the relevant info, I will absolutely, thoroughly embarrass myself by standing up for you and your co-workers to your BoE. I don't know that this would be particularly beneficial, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it.

I don't mean to be polarizing or obnoxious in any way. I resent racism (or any form of unjustified discrimination) regardless of my environment, and will stand against it in any situation.

I love Japan and Japanese society, despite my regular rants about it. I believe that most Japanese people are sincere, capable, empathetic people who absolutely want to do the "right thing" in any situation. I think that they, like many individuals of my own culture, are susceptible to ignorance and apathy, but that when their attention is called to unjustifiable inequality, they will do the right thing.

So, yeah, man. I'm not some kind of polarizing douche. I'll totally do whatever it takes to call attention to f*cking bullsh*t within whatever society in which I find myself, though. I think that I should take an active and positive role in the development of any society of which I am a part. It's my responsibility as a human being, imho. That's what we do.

lilyanphino
November 11th, 2012, 23:15
With the BOE and car thing, there was an ALT in my prefecture who was told he "couldn't get a car" by his BOE because the person he replaced was crazy and had a big accident or something. He was in a super inaka placement and after 1 year, he left.

Thankfully, his BOE realized that the forced isolation was what made him leave and they have "allowed" his replacement to get a car. Some BOEs are just ridiculous.

shinroku
November 12th, 2012, 05:40
It is pretty awesome; there are many areas out in the less-populous, western regions of Texas that permit such visibility at night. Like, you can see the Milky Way with vivid clarity, just like in those awesome, long-exposure pictures and time-lapse videos. You won't cast a shadow; the light is far too diffuse, but you can easily read text and see for miles if the air is clear. It's badass.

Especially if you're wasted.

AHHH I love stars! we don't get very good stars in NJ... way too much light pollution. Best stars I've ever seen were in West Virginia (talk about inaka) and central PA. Even in NJ though, sometimes the moon will be bright enough to cast shadows though; to see the Milky Way there's got to be no moon, amirite?

Sometimes I understand why ancient cultures thought the stars had meaning.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrgdptWzbS1qgyz7u.jpg

mothy
November 19th, 2012, 19:17
Most lower life forms love shiny things.

bwhat87
November 20th, 2012, 11:01
http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag100/bwhat87/Derailed.jpg

Somewhere, this thread took a wrong turn. I'm guessing around Albuquerque.

ihatefall
November 21st, 2012, 12:58
Replace "friends," "family," and "Papa John's" with "Taco Bell."

If you're close to any of the American military bases, make friends with one them and you can get on the base and they have them. They also strangely sell things that are totally illegal in Japan like allergy meds with pseudoephedrine.
I had Taco Bell in Yokosuka.

Page
November 21st, 2012, 13:11
http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/reviews/caps/vampires-kiss.jpg

Gezora
November 27th, 2012, 21:56
Oh my God I have such a stupid Papa John's craving right now.

mothy
December 2nd, 2012, 00:20
I used to get Papa John's cravings, but then I realised the craving was actually for the pepperoncinis they would stick in the pizza box.

AliDimayev
December 6th, 2012, 10:43
food that has pork. they dont' have it here in iran