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Jiggit
December 8th, 2014, 08:36
The Vision Quest explanation of restrictive clause incorrectly tells students to use "which" instead of "that", right?

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_American_and_British_English#Restrictive_and_non-restrictive_modifiers

Is this correct?

Gizmotech
December 8th, 2014, 11:28
American prefers that but Japanese universities use the which set in tears because it requires you to memorize more rules.

sharpinthefang
December 8th, 2014, 11:33
Why is my text book teaching 'food storage area' rather than pantry or larder?

Gizmotech
December 8th, 2014, 13:16
Because a pantry is supposed to be a secondary room/area, and wtf is a larder?

webstaa
December 9th, 2014, 08:23
Why is my text book teaching 'food storage area' rather than pantry or larder?

Because 'Murica. He have cabinets - more specifically, the Hoosier cabinet replaced the need for a pantry. Pantry is rare - even architecturally they probably aren't in 8 out of 10 houses. Larders are hen's teeth. Most places have cellars instead.

sharpinthefang
December 9th, 2014, 13:08
larder


1.a room or place where food is kept; pantry.

2.a supply of food.






pantry


1.a room or closet in which food, groceries, and other provisions, or silverware, dishes, etc., are kept.

2.a room between the kitchen and dining room in which food is arranged for serving, glassware and dishes are stored, etc.

3.a shelter or other place where food is dispensed to the needy, either as groceries or as meals.




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And it is in reply to the New horizions,second grade, writing+2 section. I will try to upload a picture of the page later.

greyjoy
December 9th, 2014, 15:53
American prefers that but Japanese universities use the which set in tears because it requires you to memorize more rules.

Is there an incorrect word in this sentence, or is that grammar jargon?

Jiggit, weren't we just talking about this the other day? My jte actually taught this yesterday according to the book, and I was afraid that I was going to have to play along and teach it incorrectly, but then all the examples she gave used 'that' instead of 'which', so maybe she listened to me after all.

Gizmotech
December 9th, 2014, 16:05
Is there an incorrect word in this sentence, or is that grammar jargon?

Jiggit, weren't we just talking about this the other day? My jte actually taught this yesterday according to the book, and I was afraid that I was going to have to play along and teach it incorrectly, but then all the examples she gave used 'that' instead of 'which', so maybe she listened to me after all.

No, my new ios 8 auto predict decided that in theirs needed to be changed into in tears, and I thought it was funny so I left it as is :P

Ode to a Grasshopper
December 9th, 2014, 17:34
wtf is a larder?It's like lard, only more so.

sharpinthefang
December 12th, 2014, 15:16
One of my text books is trying to teach 'be born' as correct English, but something is pinging in my head that its wrong...

BeckyJones
December 12th, 2014, 15:53
be born can be used. My son will be born on the 24th of december.
for example, however it is such an odd thing to teach ESL students that I wouldn't be surprised they test for it a few years.

sharpinthefang
December 12th, 2014, 16:53
be born can be used. My son will be born on the 24th of december.
for example, however it is such an odd thing to teach ESL students that I wouldn't be surprised they test for it a few years.
But why teach only that variation? It does not teach any of the other ways that it can be used. And the sentence in the book says 'he was born blind' so it does not even use it in its own example section.

Gizmotech
December 12th, 2014, 17:02
Be born is an odity in english, they will teach it over and over again.

They are trying to correct this sentence:
I borned feburary 10th (which would work, except there is no present tense born, it's to bear and to give birth)

Frankly, if it wasn't part of the introduction stuff, I would totally skip I was born XX, and just teach "My birthday is XX"

sharpinthefang
December 12th, 2014, 17:05
be born can be used. My son will be born on the 24th of december.
for example, however it is such an odd thing to teach ESL students that I wouldn't be surprised they test for it a few years.
Could also use 'My son is due on the 24th of December', which would make more sense.

SomePeopleJustSaySnow
December 12th, 2014, 18:42
"I am reborn!"

Jiggit
December 12th, 2014, 20:22
One of my text books is trying to teach 'be born' as correct English, but something is pinging in my head that its wrong...

This seems to happen a lot. Did something "ping as wrong" when you took the JET grammar and spelling test too?

Ini
December 12th, 2014, 22:38
Are you people that fucking stupid? If you are really questioning this then I give up......hire borderlink ALTs at 1man a month - thank you and good night.

In my day JETs at least had a base level of intelligence.

sharpinthefang
December 12th, 2014, 23:47
And look who's back with their happy parade.

Jiggit
January 16th, 2015, 09:04
Another dumb question:

I like A more than B.

I like A better than B.

The teachers at my school are always saying the latter but I would always say the former. But I can't really explain why one would be more or less correct.

Gizmotech
January 16th, 2015, 09:11
More is a bare comparator and better implies a qualitative comparison which can only be used with this like like.

I ate more food than jack
I ate better food than jack

I drank more than jack
I drank better than jack (replace drank with the word f*ck and the meaning REALLY comes clear)

The I like structure comes out with identical meaning, but drop the comparators into other structures and the meaning comes out.

Gunjumero
January 16th, 2015, 09:22
Another dumb question:

I like A more than B.

I like A better than B.

The teachers at my school are always saying the latter but I would always say the former. But I can't really explain why one would be more or less correct.

I thought about it and I find ''better'' more suited to things that are measurably superior or at least more than a subjective opinion.

Girls are better than boy. We looked at both results and their grades are higher
Diamond is better than quartz when making rings. It's harder to break, and shinier.


I believe stone is better than wood when making countertops. You know it to be easier to clean for example. There's reasons you're aware of before making this sentence.


I like stone more than wood. To me it's first a preference but you probably have reasons too.

Gunjumero
January 16th, 2015, 09:24
More is a bare comparator and better implies a qualitative comparison which can only be used with this like like.

I ate more food than jack
I ate better food than jack

I drank more than jack
I drank better than jack (replace drank with the word f*ck and the meaning REALLY comes clear)

The I like structure comes out with identical meaning, but drop the comparators into other structures and the meaning comes out.

This was better than what I just said.

Gizmotech
January 16th, 2015, 10:50
Gunj, you're conflating better the qualitative adjective vs better the comparator. Your examples are accurate, but the initial usage problem doesn't track (IE you can't say "Girls are more than boys" without assuming something after the more... more pretty, more X)

Gunjumero
January 16th, 2015, 22:37
Gunj, you're conflating better the qualitative adjective vs better the comparator. Your examples are accurate, but the initial usage problem doesn't track (IE you can't say "Girls are more than boys" without assuming something after the more... more pretty, more X)

Yeah,

I tried to fit what I thought in the ''I like'' structure and find a nuance while you pointed out that there wasn't one.

Your examples cleared that up for me .