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Robotics:Noto
March 9th, 2015, 11:11
It seems that in Japan, you can break the rules if you have enough money or social power, and driving is no exception. Less cops on the toll roads, and radar detectors are perfectly legal. Going the speed limit makes people quite angry, but the speed that everyone actually drives will get you booked if you're unlucky. I'm rather wary and mimic traffic when it seems to slow down for no reason and sure enough a cop car drives by, but I don't want to roll the dice anymore. Quite frequently I spot a wealthy ojisan in his black BMW fearlessly going 160 kph in an 80 kph zone and am reminded that I should probably grab one of these bad boys. Gotta pay that upper class nedan. Anyone here have a radar detector they can recommend? What should I look for in one and what are some good models?

word
March 9th, 2015, 13:42
I probably ought to grab one, but I dunno if it's worth it at this point (unless I end up getting a ticket; then it will definitely have been worth it).

Gizmotech
March 9th, 2015, 14:11
Is it not illegal to have one mounted in your car?

Robotics:Noto
March 9th, 2015, 14:24
No it isn't at all. It's kind of expected that you have one if you have the money, really. Autobacs and other car repair shops / accessorizers openly sell them and install them.

Gizmotech
March 9th, 2015, 14:35
Really? Guess it shows I come from somewhere where they are illegal eh?

That being said, on what roads could you actually use them? Like... I was taking the highway from my town to the one south of me to avoid the one 40km/h road between them, and even then I could barely get to the speed limit as I'd usually meet some useless tit with a k-car.

Ini
March 9th, 2015, 14:37
The shitty cheap ones just pick up signals. Spring for one with a Gps and the location of all cameras loaded on it. When on the road look out for white Toyota crowns, silver Nissan skylines and black Subaru G4s.

word
March 9th, 2015, 14:40
The shitty cheap ones just pick up signals. Spring for one with a Gps and the location of all cameras loaded on it. When on the road look out for white Toyota crowns, silver Nissan skylines and black Subaru G4s.
Yeah, can't the really nice ones be updated as the camera locations change? If I was gonna buy one, might as well go for a pretty decent one.

word
March 9th, 2015, 14:41
That being said, on what roads could you actually use them? Like... I was taking the highway from my town to the one south of me to avoid the one 40km/h road between them, and even then I could barely get to the speed limit as I'd usually meet some useless tit with a k-car.I'd sure use them on the expressways; I generally don't go under 120 unless I hafta deal with traffic.

Ini
March 9th, 2015, 14:49
the ones with gps normally have a micro sd slot you can buy the updated locations for every year or 2 if you want to stay current.

The two main types of cameras on expressways are N system and H system. N system have about 3 little cameras on a steel frame that goes over the road. these are just traffic monitoring cameras. You can normally sail through these at a normal speed without too much trouble. If you fly through at 160+ and there is a guy in a control room somewhere looking at that screen at that particular point in time he may contact a patrol car in the area to keep an eye out for you. H system are slightly bigger cameras and are either on a steel frame on sometimes on their own at the side of the road. these are the ones with cameras that'll flash a picture of your car. these are buggers but are normally set to fire at 100 so as long as you see them in enough time and slow it down you should be ok.

If you notice a white crown, silver skyline or black g4 flying up behind you its worth slowing it down to under 120 just to be safe, as they go past check to see if its got 2 police men in it. if its a fat salary man then just speed back up. same goes for when you see one in the inside lane. just pull up along side it gently and check the driver before shooting past. If you are caught by a marked police car then you deserve it for not paying attention.

word
March 9th, 2015, 14:58
H system are slightly bigger cameras and are either on a steel frame on sometimes on their own at the side of the road. these are the ones with cameras that'll flash a picture of your car. these are buggers but are normally set to fire at 100 so as long as you see them in enough time and slow it down you should be ok.Yeah; these are the ones I usually worry about. I've memorized a few of 'em along the expressway in my area (they actually just got rid of/moved one a few months ago), but they must not be active all that often, 'cause I've definitely flown by a few of 'em at 30+kph over the limit. I've been lucky and really ought to be more careful; a puma-style ticket would be quite unpleasant for me.


If you notice a white crown, silver skyline or black g4 flying up behind you its worth slowing it down to under 120 just to be safe, as they go past check to see if its got 2 police men in it. if its a fat salary man then just speed back up. same goes for when you see one in the inside lane. just pull up along side it gently and check the driver before shooting past.Hmm good to know; I'll hafta keep an eye out.

Ini
March 9th, 2015, 15:02
nobody drives at 80 because thats just insane. around 100 on single lane expressways and 120 on dual/three lane ones is normally perfectly safe. you can normally get away with doing 120/140 if you are paying attention and slow down for cameras and suspicious looking cars. can go 160+ if you are feeling brave but at that speed you are probably going too fast to slow down in time if you see something and if you do get caught doing that speed the fine will be pretty impressive.

starfish
March 9th, 2015, 16:11
The shitty cheap ones just pick up signals. Spring for one with a Gps and the location of all cameras loaded on it. When on the road look out for white Toyota crowns, silver Nissan skylines and black Subaru G4s.

Does Waze not work in Japan? You get real-time updates of speed traps and cameras so long as other drivers report such things periodically.

Also, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but Japanese police still use radar (instead of laser)?

PuddingHead
March 10th, 2015, 01:00
As far as brands, I'd say sticking with Escort, Beltronics, or Cobra would be alright. I don't know if these would be a problem in Japan or not, though. Personally, I have a Whistler CR90, and I haven't had any problems with it yet. It was about $200. I think a decent price range would be about $200 - $500.

starfish
March 10th, 2015, 02:13
I drive like a geriatric bus driver on meth so I haven't kept up with the latest tech, but back in my day Valentine-1 units used to be the best money could buy. The few people I knew with exotics swore by them. Much better than Escorts, Cobras or Whistlers, and handle both radar and laser (all laser detectors are kind of a gimmick though, even when they work). Expect to spend around 400-500 USD.

word
March 10th, 2015, 10:23
None of those brands will be as effective (here) as a proper Japanese unit with GPS. Don't waste your money buying some crap from the US.

Ini
March 10th, 2015, 10:27
yeah, dont buy anything in america. also those brands dont exist here.

Amazon.co.jp:レーダー探知機、カーレーダーの通販 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E6%8E%A2%E7%9F%A5%E6%A9%9F-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%BB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A5%E3%83%AA%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%BC%E7%94%A8%E5%93%81-%E9%80%9A%E8%B2%A9/b?ie=UTF8&node=2111180051)

I think mine is cellstar but i cant remember off hand. I just got whatever was on special offer in yellowhat at the time.

Apollo87
March 10th, 2015, 11:28
You could also get those brackets that tilt/angle your license plate. I think those are technically illegal too, but I see them quite a lot. I think some of them are even powered, although a quick google search didnt reveal anything. However, I did find this: - Hide The Plate.com (http://www.hidetheplate.com/) which actually HIDES the plate. I'm pretty sure I've come across powered ones that you can tilt with a switch from inside your car though.

This quote is from another forum (http://honda-tech.com/acura-integra-6/tilted-angled-front-license-plate-question-2384086/):
"I lived there for 2 years so this is coming from someone that has actually lived there. Over there they have speed cameras similar to what we have here in the states for stop lights, but theirs are a little different and for speeding. Theirs look like our big exit signs on highways, at least the frame work does. It spans from one side of the highway to the middle, and they are spread about 30-40ft apart. Basically you will drive under one then a split second later you drive under the second one. On the first one they have the rader guns situated along with cameras facing so it can take a picture of your rear license plate, one for each lane. The second one you drive under has all the flash bulbs and cameras to take a picture of your front license plate along with a picture of you looking up retardly at the camera since the bulbs just went off. Each lane has its own cameras for the front and rear, but all the bulbs go off. The tilted license plate is so that when the picture is taken only your car and you are visible not the plate, so now they dont have a way of tracking down who owns the car.
Motorcycles do it a little different, they will reach back with one hand and cover it up as they go under them."

I actually have a slightly tilted license plate that is that way because Ive gotten too close to a parking barrier. Haven't gotten a speeding ticket in the mail yet!

word
March 10th, 2015, 11:49
Motorcycles do it a little different, they will reach back with one hand and cover it up as they go under them.I don't buy this. If you're on a motorcycle and speeding, reaching far enough behind you to cover your license plate with one hand would be hilariously suicidal.

Jiggit
March 10th, 2015, 11:51
I don't buy this. If you're on a motorcycle and speeding, reaching far enough behind you to cover your license plate with one hand would be hilariously suicidal.

And? These are people who choose to ride a motorbike.

Virgil
March 10th, 2015, 11:54
I don't buy this. If you're on a motorcycle and speeding, reaching far enough behind you to cover your license plate with one hand would be hilariously suicidal.

You don't know dumb people so well, does you?

Man cruises down highway on his motorcycle with NO hands,LAYING DOWN while texting on his cell phone - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FOjtyFMl8)

Ini
March 10th, 2015, 11:54
yeah, thats not going to work if you are going 140+

tilted license plates, covers that reflect the camera flash, smearing mud over your plates - all are technically against the law but it just depends on how blatant it is and how bored the police are. Its unlikely you'll find too many options along these lines in places like yellowhat or autobacs but some shady tuning shop should be able to sort you out with them or you can buy them online if you are feeling brave.

Gizmotech
March 10th, 2015, 11:59
All things considered that's not that unsafe. When it said no hands, I figured nothing touching the stick, but he's knee steering.

Sure in the event of an emergency he's fucked, but looking at that traffic he's probably fucked anyways.

Robotics:Noto
March 11th, 2015, 11:13
If you notice a white crown, silver skyline or black g4 flying up behind you its worth slowing it down to under 120 just to be safe, as they go past check to see if its got 2 police men in it. if its a fat salary man then just speed back up. same goes for when you see one in the inside lane. just pull up along side it gently and check the driver before shooting past. If you are caught by a marked police car then you deserve it for not paying attention.

These are the only trouble I've had. Thought all cop cars were marked and had their lights on (lol nope) and got pulled over by a silver skyline. Got away with a warning and I've been careful since then, slowing down when cars suspiciously pull out from the left lane when I drive past them, slowing down around white crowns/silver skylines (didn't know about the black G4s), but recently my friend got pulled over (by another silver skyline) driving my car, almost got her license pulled (had her clocked at 129) and got smacked with a 35,000 fine (which we grudgingly split between everyone in the car). If someone else is going to drive my car (for switching off during long drives) I'd rather have a radar detector than trust the other driver's judgment.

Here's a nice rundown of the different speed traps around Japan.
AccessJ: Automated Speed Cameras in Japan (http://www.accessj.com/2013/05/automated-speed-cameras-in-japan.html)

uthinkimlost?
March 11th, 2015, 11:26
These are the only trouble I've had. Thought all cop cars were marked and had their lights on (lol nope) and got pulled over by a silver skyline. Got away with a warning and I've been careful since then, slowing down when cars suspiciously pull out from the left lane when I drive past them, slowing down around white crowns/silver skylines (didn't know about the black G4s), but recently my friend got pulled over (by another silver skyline) driving my car, almost got her license pulled (had her clocked at 129) and got smacked with a 35,000 fine (which we grudgingly split between everyone in the car). If someone else is going to drive my car (for switching off during long drives) I'd rather have a radar detector than trust the other driver's judgment.

Here's a nice rundown of the different speed traps around Japan.
AccessJ: Automated Speed Cameras in Japan (http://www.accessj.com/2013/05/automated-speed-cameras-in-japan.html)

What was the posted limit?

Robotics:Noto
March 11th, 2015, 11:37
What was the posted limit?

80. On second thought maybe they had her clocked at 119.