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weepinbell
March 26th, 2015, 03:23
Even if I don't get into JET I have a backup plan to teach in Japan come August/September, so I'm curious about this. I'm really fortunate because I've been open and honest to my supervisors through this whole process and they're super supportive about me doing this, so I won't cause any turbulance with leaving in general which is awesome. Obviously I just need to tell them when I know, since they wanna hire on someone to train under me before I'm gone.

I'm really just wondering how much prep people found was necessary from experience? I'm weighing between staying a little longer to save up a little more (maybe 2 weeks before departure?) or giving myself a little more extra time to prepare/pack/say any goodbyes/just chill out before throwing myself into working aborad and a crazy amount of culture shock....

Anyone wish they would've allowed time for more prep or less?

Sherlock
March 26th, 2015, 07:48
I'm also applying this year as well. Personally I am looking to work until around 2 weeks before departure as well as I could use the money. I won't need more time than two weeks to pack for the trip and I'd like to save as much money as I can. I figure I'll need as much money as I can with the move and everything. If I'm accepted to JET I don't plan on notifying my bosses till late June/early July. The management where I work would not be supportive of a change in jobs for me so I have not even told them I've applied. I think its great that your bosses are so supportive of you making a change.

ambrosse
March 26th, 2015, 08:27
My work knows that I applied for JET and are actually pretty excited for me. Granted it's not a full-time job or anything, but still.
I plan on staying about to the two week mark or so like Sherlock.

Ananasboat
March 26th, 2015, 08:31
I worked a week before I left. I really needed that money, haha. But everything went alright.

taysukidesu
March 26th, 2015, 08:40
My roommate told her bosses she was going to Japan in December. She hadn't even found out if she got an interview with JET, much less shortlisted, and then threw a fit when they took her intern and her responsibilities away and gave them to the person they promoted over her two weeks later. She's now starting her own business and planning on renting out an office space, so I guess that says a lot about her future intentions. Smh.

I'm planning on working until a week, two weeks before departure, if I get shortlisted. ><

When I studied abroad, I had 3.5 weeks of downtime between moving home and my flight, which was waaaay too long. Just made myself sick with boredom and undirected excitement.

webstaa
March 26th, 2015, 09:10
ESID, but I stopped my job a little over two weeks before departure. I needed to move my stuff into storage and then drove across the country to leave my car with family (I wanted to see them, they needed an actual vehicle. I got to drive from the Midwest to San Diego.) For me, it also depended on money - my job at the time wasn't the best paying, and I wanted/needed as much as possible to bridge that 1 month gap from departure to first payday. If I didn't need to pack everything up/road trip I could have quit a day or two before and been just fine.

hypatia
March 26th, 2015, 14:20
I didn't say anything to my supervisor until I got the official message that I was shortlisted, in April, and my last day at work was in early June. The *only* reason I told her that early was because the summer was usually the biggest crunch time for my office, and I wanted to give her enough notice to be able to go through the job posting and interview process (notoriously long at my workplace) so that my office would be short staffed for the least amount of time possible. That, and the fact that I actually liked/respected my supervisor. Legally though, two weeks notice is all you *have* to give, and it may not be in your best interest to inform them so early. My job, for example, had a policy in place that after you had given your notice and signed the official termination paperwork that you weren't allow to be out sick for any amount of time without a doctor's note (the normal policy only dictated you needed a note after being out for three consecutive days).

As for my end date, had circumstances been different I probably would've worked longer (up until closer to my departure date), but the lease on my apartment was up at the end of June anyhow, and I wanted a few weeks to be able to move out gradually rather than try to do everything in a weekend.

starfish
March 27th, 2015, 10:11
Legally though, two weeks notice is all you *have* to give, and it may not be in your best interest to inform them so early. My job, for example, had a policy in place that after you had given your notice and signed the official termination paperwork that you weren't allow to be out sick for any amount of time without a doctor's note (the normal policy only dictated you needed a note after being out for three consecutive days).

You don't *have* to give them shit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment).

In no US state are you legally required to give any amount of notice at all. You may be -contractually- obligated to do so if your employer paid for your master's degree or you're a contractor bailing on a project you were hired specifically for.

For most people, the only obligation you have to give two weeks' notice is as a professional courtesy to that employer. Some companies will flag you as ineligible for re-hire if you don't give sufficient notice. And you certainly can't use them as a professional reference at that point.

But for general employment it is not a legal matter in any state, and it works both ways-- (I'm pretty sure) in all 50 states, the employer is not obligated to tell you beforehand if they intend to terminate you or lay you off. California might be an exception.

johnny
March 27th, 2015, 13:14
Yeah, Starfish is right about there being no legal requirement to give notice. That's certainly true of Canada anyway. Legally you don't even have to tell your employer you quit. You can just stop showing up to work.

hypatia
March 27th, 2015, 13:48
Huh. I learned something today.

johnny
March 27th, 2015, 14:09
If I were you though, I would give a months worth of notice.

Ananasboat
March 27th, 2015, 14:11
If I were me, I would stare into my boss's eyes and say, "I quit... in a month... maybe."

Moso
March 27th, 2015, 14:42
I quit like a month before but that was because of having graduation, pre departure orientation (in the UK it's like 3 weeks before you go) and other stuff in July so it just seemed easier plus I was okay for money!

AyaReiko
March 28th, 2015, 09:16
I'm probably going to work until the day I leave. What the heck would I do during all those days? It really doesn't take me that much time to fill a suitcase and boxes for a year...
Oh, and I've already told my job that my leaving is an option.

weepinbell
March 28th, 2015, 09:44
I'm probably going to work until the day I leave. What the heck would I do during all those days? It really doesn't take me that much time to fill a suitcase and boxes for a year...
Oh, and I've already told my job that my leaving is an option.

Day before?! That is ambitious lol. Good luck! I'm kind of an anal retentive person, I know I'll need at least 2 weeks to figure out what I'm bringing/avoid overpacking (it's gonna be sooo hard for me ugh) and say my goodbyes... I'm trying to decide if I'll wanna take one or 2 more though just because I might like a nice big break haha...

hypatia
March 28th, 2015, 10:33
I'm probably going to work until the day I leave. What the heck would I do during all those days? It really doesn't take me that much time to fill a suitcase and boxes for a year...

I know in my case there were a lot of friends and family members that wanted to see me/spend time with me/say goodbye before I left, so packing was only a small part of what I did to fill the time.

AyaReiko
March 28th, 2015, 10:48
lol, yeah, but I see my family regularly and I can pack in the evenings, so it is realistic for me. I guess it would change if I have to move a lot of furniture or put things into storage, because that would take some time.

richief_611
March 29th, 2015, 16:32
Even if I don't get into JET I have a backup plan to teach in Japan come August/September, so I'm curious about this. I'm really fortunate because I've been open and honest to my supervisors through this whole process and they're super supportive about me doing this, so I won't cause any turbulance with leaving in general which is awesome. Obviously I just need to tell them when I know, since they wanna hire on someone to train under me before I'm gone.

I'm really just wondering how much prep people found was necessary from experience? I'm weighing between staying a little longer to save up a little more (maybe 2 weeks before departure?) or giving myself a little more extra time to prepare/pack/say any goodbyes/just chill out before throwing myself into working aborad and a crazy amount of culture shock....

Anyone wish they would've allowed time for more prep or less?

For me, I honestly didn't need that much time. It's just the mandatory meetings that you have to go to at your consulate, but either than that, you don't need to do much except pack and get your things in order. I'd say 2 weeks is perfectly enough time. And many things that you are required to do, will be complete by May or mid-June. These things are for your visa, plane tickets, etc.

Might as well maximize your job experience and money-making before you leave to Japan. It also depends what you plan to take over to Japan too. If you need to buy new clothes, buy omiage, etc, then it might take some time. For me, I think omiage is 100% unnecessary, but that's my opinion. For me, I had 9 schools, so when I came, I couldn't even give omiage to all of my schools. So I ended up not giving anything to any schools. Later on, if I went on trips and such, I'd give them something small from my trip, but that's it.

I don't think there are announcements yet for the acceptances yet, so you should probably wait until you know if you get in or not. You shouldn't stress until you know. I should be within the next 1-2 weeks I think.

weepinbell
March 30th, 2015, 00:49
I don't think there are announcements yet for the acceptances yet, so you should probably wait until you know if you get in or not. You shouldn't stress until you know. I should be within the next 1-2 weeks I think.

I ask because I have a backup plan that I've already been hired on for. I'm going to teach in Japan by the end of the summer either way. Do you know when the meetings usually fall though? Or if the big consulates give you a Sat or Sun option? My best friend is getting married in the beginning of July, if I get into JET and it happens to be on that weekend.... yikes...

taysukidesu
March 30th, 2015, 03:34
I was under the impression the pre-departure orientation was during the week for some reason? Isn't it a few days, too? I couldn't find more exact information anywhere via Google.

weepinbell
March 30th, 2015, 04:38
I was under the impression the pre-departure orientation was during the week for some reason? Isn't it a few days, too? I couldn't find more exact information anywhere via Google.

Oh I'm not talking about pre-departure orientation, I mean the Q&A session - I'd assume that's also mandatory?

taysukidesu
March 30th, 2015, 05:00
I've never heard anything like that. I could be wrong?

Though I have read the pre-departure is in early July.

Zolrak 22
March 30th, 2015, 05:05
Oh I'm not talking about pre-departure orientation, I mean the Q&A session - I'd assume that's also mandatory?
The only mandatory one is the orientation before the flight at the consulate.

weepinbell
March 30th, 2015, 05:10
I got it from this person's blog - Timeline | Memoirs of a Gaijin (http://memoirsofagaijin.com/timeline/). She's from NZ, but she had the Q&A early July and then the pre-departure orientation literally the day before departure.

Also on the Chicago consulate website I saw something about a Q&A session.

We'll see if I even get in but this makes me so nervous lol... I didn't apply for early departure specifically because of this dumb wedding... I guess I'll just wait see but that'd really suck if I got in and one of the sessions ended up being the same weekend. Ugh.

weepinbell
March 30th, 2015, 05:11
The only mandatory one is the orientation before the flight at the consulate.

OH seriously? Okay good, that makes me feel a little better!

ambrosse
March 30th, 2015, 05:29
I was under the impression that there was a pre-pre departure orientation Q+A session that was earlier (like June or something) that was not mandatory, but if you were free, you should go.
Actual pre-departure orientation is right before you leave the US.

weepinbell
March 30th, 2015, 08:18
I was under the impression that there was a pre-pre departure orientation Q+A session that was earlier (like June or something) that was not mandatory, but if you were free, you should go.
Actual pre-departure orientation is right before you leave the US.

Yeah I think you're exactly right. This wedding has just inconvenienced me in so many ways so far (can you tell I'm bitter? lol), if I get into JET... I wouldn't be surprised if it were to fall on that Q&A weekend... because that would just make sense at this point. So I guess I'd be ok either way. :P

webstaa
March 30th, 2015, 08:30
I'd like to add that the Q+A session isn't even that big of a deal. If you have any sort of questions, I'd just email the JET coordinators directly. Previously, they've used Yahoo/Google/Facebook/Reddit to organize/disseminate info and answer questions for shortlisters. Not worth it if you have to travel/stay the night to go.

The Pre-Departure is completely different. You don't show up? You don't get you Passport and ticket.

ambrosse
March 30th, 2015, 08:33
I'd like to add that the Q+A session isn't even that big of a deal. If you have any sort of questions, I'd just email the JET coordinators directly. Previously, they've used Yahoo/Google/Facebook/Reddit to organize/disseminate info and answer questions for shortlisters. Not worth it if you have to travel/stay the night to go.

The Pre-Departure is completely different. You don't show up? You don't get you Passport and ticket.


Exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't pay to fly out to Chicago for an optional Q+A session when I can easily email my coordinator or ask a current JET :/

Wasabi
March 30th, 2015, 09:01
I went to the optional daylong Q&A thing in Boston last year. It was towards the middle or end of June. It was nice to meet some JETs beforehand, and we all went to a bar afterwards with the JETAA for drinks & some food. It's by no means necessary, but I was close enough to go and we got to check out the model Japanese house in the children's museum. I had never been to Japan before, so it was neat to get some ideas and tips of various things. It made my flight better too, because I sat with one of the people I had made friends with at the orientation. We had one or two people attend the Boston orientation but who left out of a different city, too. They interviewed near their university at the time but physically lived close to Boston so they were allowed to attend. So, that's also an option if you happen to be closer to a consulate other than your departure consulate.

mrcharisma
March 30th, 2015, 09:46
When I applied they did a drinks reception at mine on top of (or perhaps instead of) the QnA sesh. Got melted and ended up out at the strippers till 4am with a big jolly sort from Carlisle. The Edinburgh JET people put on a really good spread but it's entirely possible it's been been scaled back since.

hypatia
March 30th, 2015, 14:31
I was under the impression that there was a pre-pre departure orientation Q+A session that was earlier (like June or something) that was not mandatory, but if you were free, you should go.
Actual pre-departure orientation is right before you leave the US.


Yep. My (US) consulate had an optional all day info session at the end of June (the 28th). It consisted of former JETs talking about their experiences/advice, and a super basic Japanese session. I couldn't stay for the drinks because I had to drive back home. In retrospect I would've been completely fine not going. There wasn't any crucial information I learned and the drive was a real pain, but that's just me.

Then, on the Friday before our departure we had the mandatory Pre-Departure orientation/dinner at the Consul's fancy house. Saturday morning we flew out.

richief_611
March 30th, 2015, 19:31
I ask because I have a backup plan that I've already been hired on for. I'm going to teach in Japan by the end of the summer either way. Do you know when the meetings usually fall though? Or if the big consulates give you a Sat or Sun option? My best friend is getting married in the beginning of July, if I get into JET and it happens to be on that weekend.... yikes...

As everyone else has been saying, there was an optional Q&A meeting in mid- to late-June, and then a mandatory Pre-Departure Meeting a day before departure. You're going to want to go to the Q&A meeting if you have questions, but if you don't, then you don't need to go. Most people take their parents to these things. I went to the Q&A meeting, but it was basically pointless for me. But my parents insisted that I go, and they with me, so it helped them learn more about the program.

x_stei
March 31st, 2015, 02:47
I am thinking about quitting a month before departure. I need a break from working so much and there are friends who are living across North America that I want to visit before I jet off around the globe. ;)

Also, there is a possibility of me becoming an American citizen while simultaneously taking care of JET paperwork, so I'll have to look forward to that as well.

Zolrak 22
March 31st, 2015, 03:39
Also, there is a possibility of me becoming an American citizen while simultaneously taking care of JET paperwork, so I'll have to look forward to that as well.

Omg.....
Where are you applying from?

I don't think it's possible to be an American citizen while applying from Canada (or elsewhere).

At least during the application process.

I would assume it's the same for the hiring phase, as the visa and etc are specifically given to a citizen of your country.

I'm sure MC or another member could correct me on this though.

x_stei
March 31st, 2015, 03:51
I live and work in Michigan.
The horror of dual citizenship has been bothering me for awhile, but if I don't become American, I'll have to come back to Michigan once every year or six months to maintain my permanent residence.

weepinbell
March 31st, 2015, 03:53
Omg.....
Where are you applying from?

I don't think it's possible to be an American citizen while applying from Canada (or elsewhere).

At least during the application process.

I would assume it's the same for the hiring phase, as the visa and etc are specifically given to a citizen of your country.

I'm sure MC or another member could correct me on this though.

I think they're talking about dual citizenship? Correct me if I'm wrong, x_stei. Would having dual citizenship become a problem? Not like they were dual when they applied, anyway. That's an interesting one, definittely a question for MC or SF.

weepinbell
March 31st, 2015, 03:54
Yes the horror of dual citizenship has been bothering me for awhile, but if I don't become American, I'll have to come back to Michigan once every year or six months to maintain my permanent residence.

Ohh. But citizenship elsewhere.

x_stei
March 31st, 2015, 03:54
Also I don't know if it creates any problems for tax... =/. It's kind of an odd situation all around... =/

webstaa
March 31st, 2015, 08:36
AFAIK as long as you aren't dual-citizen with Japan, you shouldn't have a problem. Just use the passport/ID you applied with (and that will have your visa in it) when you enter and leave Japan.

x_stei
March 31st, 2015, 10:47
Okay thanks webstaa!

byakko
May 6th, 2015, 02:38
If you have furniture and/or a car to deal with, give yourself 2 weeks off prior to departure.

fairiehearts
May 17th, 2015, 14:22
More of a question of people's opinions rather than asking for a solid answer to my question but basically, I'm working two jobs, one of which knew from the start that I've applied and been accepted into JET (i've already settled an end date with this job). The second job is one that I literally applied, interviewed and was hired for around the time short lists were coming up. The second job is working for a city (One of the options that I plan to go with when I return to Canada is finding work in municipal govt). The 2nd job is pretty much a summer job (May to Early Sept), and I took it regardless because I needed the money to save up and I don't mind working this 2nd job until the end of the July as it doesn't require much thought process and shifts are short enough.

Essentially my query is when do you think would be the best time to tell them that "I got a job offer in Japan and will have to move effective August 1". My original thoughts is maybe give them one month's notice, to make it a bit more reasonable and to not burn that bridge to the ground. Would that be too long?

BifCarbet
May 17th, 2015, 14:44
I think you should give them as much notice as you can, unless you really can't afford to have them cut you loose early. If you really think that you want go back and work there again, it would be best to not be perceived as having misled them in any way. I would say just be honest. Tell them how much longer you're going to be around, but tell them how much longer you'd like to work there too. Also probably couldn't hurt to mention that you'd like to rejoin them in the future.

webstaa
May 18th, 2015, 09:35
If it's the kind of position any of your co-workers can step in and do, then later would be OK. It its the kind that requires a replacement to be trained - then the earlier the better - maybe upwards of a month. See if you can negotiate your last day to be when you want. But I wouldn't be an ass about showing up and saying "I'm leaving next week. Good luck suckers. etc."

Gizmotech
May 18th, 2015, 11:15
I've been reading without participating until now.

Some difficult questions have been asked, and the answers vary from state to state, country to country. It all revolves around the concept of at-will employment.

If you're an at-will employee, do not give notice unless you have a FANTASTIC relationship with your employer. The instant you give notice is the instant they can fire you with no compensation. Use your power to your fullest, decide your final day, and while it sucks to those around you, quit at the time that is best for YOU.

Now, if you're in a non-at-will employment area, like Canada, things are a little different. You are generally required to give equal notice that the employer would require if you are being terminated. So in Ontario, that would be 0 notice for under 3 months, 1 week under a year, 2 weeks for 2-3?4?, etc... The employer in that case reserves the right to either make you work your notice period or send you home with pay arriving within 2 weeks of termination or the next regular pay period (which ever is shorter).

Now, while this sounds pretty good, giving more notice than your employer requires is actually dangerous. Yet again, it depends on the relationship with your employer. If you tell your employer that you are leaving in 2 months, they aren't required to keep you on that entire time. They can easily just say "okay, well there's the door and here's your termination pay" which can leave you fucked for the 1.5 months you had planned to earn income.

The point I want to stress is this. You are more important than your employer, or your coworkers. IF you leave according to the rules and it inconveniences other people, don't worry about it unless you expect to get something out of that employer in the future. People worry about burning bridges, but if you're in a job with high employee turn over, or something which is unrelated to your carrier and doesn't represent anything meaningful on your resume, don't worry about offending others. In a year or two after JET that company won't even be contacted concerning your work performance, and it will become irrelevant for the most part. There's no reason to compromise yourself for others when the company doesn't need to care about you.

fairiehearts
May 18th, 2015, 17:23
Thanks for the advise guys! I'm still thinking the end of June/July is probably the best time to tell them and I think your advise somewhat confirmed it.

I'm not so much worried about the current position I am in and wanting to work in that field but rather still have a chance in the future to work for that city but in a completely different department.

Like I said the job is a summer position and its nothing quite detailed. Actually its more shift work that is quite easy to learn. I'll definitely inconvenience them but its not a position that will affect the structure of any project or such. I also had a raised eyebrow about it when i applied for the job I had only intended to work 2-3shifts a week to supplement my salary already. They knew this when they hired me yet the started asking me if I wanted to work 4-5 shifts despite knowing I already have another job. We settled on me doing 3 shifts with a potential for four on rare occasions as I worked 3 days a week already at the other job. I'm slightly concerned on how they hired for this job as they only hired 4 employees for the program, with me being the only new hire and the other 3 are returning. From the start it seemed more sensible that they have 5 employees at least from my point of view to ensure all shifts were covered at all times (2 staff per day, 7 days a week). Especially as 3/4 of us including myself only wanted to work limited/reduced hours (outside of me one wants to work 3 shifts only on certain days, the second is only available weekends and every other Friday. Luckily after a little snooping there is apparently another past employee who would be willing to cover shifts if absolutely need be. So in the end I don't think they would be completely screwed over but at the same time just the fact that they did not hire enough staff to cover every shift concerned me slightly. Oh well. Sorry for my ramblings

Thanks again!

SomePeopleJustSaySnow
May 19th, 2015, 19:05
I'm probably going to work until the day I leave.

Late to the discussion, but I did exactly that. As long as you have no regrets about giving up some potential free time to earn that little bit more money, it's a perfectly valid option.

Virgil
May 19th, 2015, 21:25
Late to the discussion, but I did exactly that. As long as you have no regrets about giving up some potential free time to earn that little bit more money, it's a perfectly valid option.
Same here. I actually told my students, see ya suckers - I'm getting I'm a plane tomorrow. Then I cried.

Ananasboat
May 19th, 2015, 22:32
I left my kids like, a week? Week and a half before I left? Many tears were shed by me and the students. That was rough.

x_stei
May 20th, 2015, 04:15
Same here. I actually told my students, see ya suckers - I'm getting I'm a plane tomorrow. Then I cried.


I left my kids like, a week? Week and a half before I left? Many tears were shed by me and the students. That was rough.

Officially confirmed you two are human.

Nah, you guys are pretty cool.

In other news, I plan to quit my job on June 19th.

SomePeopleJustSaySnow
May 20th, 2015, 11:07
I was teaching a group of Italian students I'd known for about three weeks when i found out. I will hopefully never forget the congratulations I got from that class when I told them I'd be going to Japan.

You've never seen happy until you've seen Italian happy.

x_stei
May 20th, 2015, 15:47
I was teaching a group of Italian students I'd known for about three weeks when i found out. I will hopefully never forget the congratulations I got from that class when I told them I'd be going to Japan.

You've never seen happy until you've seen Italian happy.

like this? italian happy - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=980&bih=1184&q=italian+happy&oq=italian+happy&gs_l=img.3..0l10.4762.6893.0.7245.13.12.0.1.1.0.175.1302.0j9.9.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.64.img..3.10.1305.AWClNz1SscI)

added to my bucket list!

SomePeopleJustSaySnow
May 22nd, 2015, 16:21
A bit like that, yes...