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JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 14:11
Somewhere I read that some schools will not allow their female employees to wear pants. I was horrified by this since I don't wear anything BUT pants. I don't even wear shorts (except at home). I haven't worn a skirt or dress since maybe 3rd grade. My casual wear is generally a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. To be quite frank, I know nothing about fashion. My plan for my work clothes is to wear a pair of khakis or slacks with a polo or button up shirt. Most of the time anyway. I do plan to get some nice, girly shirts to spice it up every now and then. But the point is, I only plan to bring and wear pants. Is this going to be an issue? Can my supervisor/principal really force me to only wear skirts/dresses? I mean, even if I arrived in Japan and they suddenly told me pants weren't allowed, I can't really go out and buy a skirt because I probably couldn't find it in my size. I'm currently a size 10, btw. But to be honest, even if I COULD find some, I'd probably still refuse to wear it.

On a separate note, I also read somewhere that you should bring gym clothes, like a track suit, and that most ALTs (at ES and JHS at least), can wear these as their work clothes. Does this apply to both female and male ALTs


Note: I don't have a predecessor

Isola
June 22nd, 2016, 14:32
Never heard of this ever, all the women I work with wear pants.

Yes, you can wear track suits to elementary school if you want.

tobio
June 22nd, 2016, 14:32
I've never ever seen or heard of a school that will not allow female ALTs to wear pants. I, myself, am not taking any skirts. Just make sure you have at least a couple suits with nice pants and then some nice clothes in general. Obviously ESID but I can't ever imagine you not being able to wear pants.

As for the track suit thing, my ex-ALT friends mentioned it's usually males only. Of course, ESID once again but I don't want you to get your hopes up. EDIT: OHHH isola has different experiences from my friends! So, there is hope LOL!

The best information you can get for this kind of stuff is from your pred.

PS) you're going to be able to find tons of stuff in size 10 lol

mothy
June 22nd, 2016, 14:51
As long as they're nice pants, shouldn't be a problem.

JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 14:59
I've never ever seen or heard of a school that will not allow female ALTs to wear pants. I, myself, am not taking any skirts. Just make sure you have at least a couple suits with nice pants and then some nice clothes in general. Obviously ESID but I can't ever imagine you not being able to wear pants.

As for the track suit thing, my ex-ALT friends mentioned it's usually males only. Of course, ESID once again but I don't want you to get your hopes up. EDIT: OHHH isola has different experiences from my friends! So, there is hope LOL!

The best information you can get for this kind of stuff is from your pred.

PS) you're going to be able to find tons of stuff in size 10 lol


If I can find stuff in size 10 (US), then I guess I'm good. Unless my height will be an issue? I'm 5'8" and I know Japanese women are really short. I know it wouldn't matter much for skirts, but would finding pants that don't come up too short be difficult? I don't really have a pred to ask these questions to unfortunately. So asking here is my best bet.

Also, as for pants for females, is tight fitting pants, ok? I have a pair of kinda tight fitting khakis that I want to wear at work. Kinda like THIS (http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=59684727)

Or are only baggy pants like THIS (http://www.oldnavy.com/products/res/thumbimg/mid-rise-boot-cut-khaki-pant-for-women-rolled-oats.jpg) allowed?

Also, I don't really care about the tracksuit (I'd rather not waste money on buying one). I just was worried that I would be required to bring gym clothes or something. I plan to bring a pair of workout pants only because I plan to wear them on the plane. They look like THIS (http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/15628245?wid=480&hei=480). Would this and a plain t-shirt suffice in the chance I needed to have a set of gym clothes for school?

ambrosse
June 22nd, 2016, 16:15
It's possible you heard that from someone who was a High School ALT? I know that clothing tends to be a little more regulated at that level, but as usual, it depends on the school.

Aside from the office secretary, almost all of my teachers wear pants, capris, or a shirtdress with pants underneath. I teach at a JHS and two Elementary schools.
If you're a size 10, you'll find stuff. Your height might be an issue, but it also might not.
Tight pants are fine. I wear jeggings on a daily basis and no one cares (all my other teachers wear tight pants too, lol).

As long as your boobs aren't hanging out when you bend over and your shoulders are covered, stop worrying about stuff.

Ini
June 22nd, 2016, 16:20
You'll want a tracksuit for sportsday and probably the big cleaning days so it's always a good idea to have one but unless you are the size of a small walrus you'll be able to pick something up here.

JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 17:17
You'll want a tracksuit for sportsday and probably the big cleaning days so it's always a good idea to have one but unless you are the size of a small walrus you'll be able to pick something up here.

Well, as long as I can find something in Japan that would fit a size 10, 5'8" woman, then I'll gladly wait to buy one in Japan. I just needed to know if I needed to buy it before leaving in the case I couldn't find something in my size in Japan. I know for a fact finding shoes for my monstrous size 10 (women) feet would be darn near impossible, so I'm stocking up on those before I go. Is an indoor gym shoe necessary? Or can I use my sneakers that I usually wear outdoors?

Ini
June 22nd, 2016, 17:27
wearing outdoor shoes inside is the Japanese equivalent of punching someones sainted mother. You will need outdoor shoes to come to school and indoor shoes for when you get there. If you want to go crazy you could have outdoor "sneakers", indoor "sneakers", outdoor dress shoes, indoor dress shoes and then if you go to multiple schools and dont want to carry shoes around with you every day you could have a set of indoor "sneakers" and indoor "dress shoes" at each of your schools. If you go to 15 schools thats a lot of shoes.

JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 17:41
wearing outdoor shoes inside is the Japanese equivalent of punching someones sainted mother. You will need outdoor shoes to come to school and indoor shoes for when you get there. If you want to go crazy you could have outdoor "sneakers", indoor "sneakers", outdoor dress shoes, indoor dress shoes and then if you go to multiple schools and dont want to carry shoes around with you every day you could have a set of indoor "sneakers" and indoor "dress shoes" at each of your schools. If you go to 15 schools thats a lot of shoes.

I am aware I can't wear my outdoor shoes inside. What I was referring to is if there is really a need for me to have a pair of indoor gym shoes? In otherwords, am I really expected to participate in indoor athletic activity which will require me to have a pair of indoor gym shoes? Or can I get by with just a pair outdoor sneaker for the occasions we have outdoor athletic activity? My current "indoor shoe" is technically an athletic shoe (at least is says it is on the tag) even though it isn't a sneaker, but I suppose I can just use them if I need to. THIS (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Danskin-Now-Women-s-Knit-Slip-on-Shoe-Wide-Width/51630129) is the shoe I bought for my everyday "indoor shoe".

Really what I'm saying is, how likely is it that ALTs will participate in indoor athletic activity?

uthinkimlost?
June 22nd, 2016, 17:49
If you don't have gym shoes, most schools I've been in won't let you walk into the gym unless you're barefoot. Most whole school meetings happen there.

Jiggit
June 22nd, 2016, 17:52
Just gaijin smash lololoeleloe.

JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 17:52
If you don't have gym shoes, most schools I've been in won't let you walk into the gym unless you're barefoot. Most whole school meetings happen there.

So the whole "indoor gym shoe" thing is more about going there for meetings rather than actual physical activity? It makes no sense why I can't just wear my normal (athletic) indoor shoes for that.

JPNLKatie
June 22nd, 2016, 17:55
Just gaijin smash lololoeleloe.


What is this "gaijin smash" thing I keep seeing everywhere? I'm still not sure what it means. I know gaijin = derogatory term for "foreigner", but....

uthinkimlost?
June 22nd, 2016, 18:09
So the whole "indoor gym shoe" thing is more about going there for meetings rather than actual physical activity? It makes no sense why I can't just wear my normal (athletic) indoor shoes for that.

The issue is in marking the floor. I can pretty much guarantee what you linked will leave black streaks on the gym floor.

Ini
June 22nd, 2016, 19:30
If you are a big fat bloater nobody is going to be chasing you around the gym with a cattle prod forcing you bang out multiple push ups but occasionally some people do "engage in indoor athletic activity". It's up to you. Do you want to run around in the gym, bring some appropriate shoes and a tracksuit. If you prefer to hang out in the staffroom then bring a good book and a towel to mop your sweaty brow.

mrcharisma
June 22nd, 2016, 19:31
I'm concerned JPNL Katie is over-thinking things a little.

Ananasboat
June 22nd, 2016, 23:58
Just gaijin smash lololoeleloe.

I ask if I can wear my school shoes (they're tennis shoes) in the gym and literally everyone has said its okay.

JPNLKatie
June 23rd, 2016, 02:37
I'm concerned JPNL Katie is over-thinking things a little.

Well, I had to make sure if I needed these shoes or not because I'm not going to be able to buy a pair of size 10 shoes in Japan. So if I need them, I have to buy them now. The other questions I asked was asked more out of curiosity.

Ini
June 23rd, 2016, 03:57
Why have you convinced yourself you won't be able to find shoes in a US sized 10? Go look on Amazon.co.jp and you find hundreds of sports shoes in that size.

uthinkimlost?
June 23rd, 2016, 08:03
I ask if I can wear my school shoes (they're tennis shoes) in the gym and literally everyone has said its okay.

If they're white-soled, sneaker types or tennis shoes, everything is okay. If they are red or black-soled, they are forbidden on the gym floor, at least in the schools I know of.

webstaa
June 23rd, 2016, 08:23
Really hitting the worry-wart portion of the application cycle.

Skirts are not a necessity at any of the schools I've been to. Teachers wear a variety of clothes - but for classes at JHS level, you should be wearing the equivalent of "half-a-suit." For men, that's usually a dress shirt with slacks and a tie (until cool-biz kicks in and then you can forget the tie and go short-sleeves.) Obviously it's easier in winter, as you'll be wearing more for warmth. Track suits are for the teachers that are done with classes for the day or are participating in club activities and/or PE. If you're not staying for those, you don't need to worry about a track suit. You'll need "active wear" for maybe one day a year (school sports day) where you'll be sitting outside under a tent for 4-5 hours making fun of the kids with other teachers. For elementary school, you can get away with much more casual clothes, but usually something along the lines of a polo with khakis or slacks is what's generally recommended.

As far as shoes go, you might want one pair of "formal" shoes for school graduations/entrance ceremony (along with that suit you'll only wear 3-4 times a year.) etc. You might want another pair for outdoor use for going to the various meetings you're supposed to wear "business-wear" to. Otherwise comfortable shoes are the order of the day. Nobody will give a shit about what shoes you wear indoors as long as you don't wear them outside. The indoor shoe rack at my school has a plethora of shoes - from tennis and running shoes, to nice flats and a pair of well worn oxfords, to vans and a pair of chuck taylors... and a pair of crocks. All indoor shoes, and they're all OK - and all worn with business attire in the school. Yes, as in the head teacher stands up at a meeting in a three piece suit with bright orange and purple running shoes on.

Frap
June 23rd, 2016, 08:42
i wear these everywhere and they're fine

Black Canvas Men's Classics | TOMS (http://www.toms.com/slip-ons/black-canvas-mens-classics)

JPNLKatie
June 23rd, 2016, 10:02
Why have you convinced yourself you won't be able to find shoes in a US sized 10?

Oh I think it is because nearly every "What to pack for the JET Program" list that I have come across have stated that finding shoes for woman above a US size 8 (26 cm) is nearly impossible, or at least very difficult. I have also seen many posts on ITIL by past female JETs with my shoe size commenting how they could never find shoes in their size, and when they did, it wasn't what they were looking for or it was waaay overpriced.

So, can you blame me for thinking so?


Go look on Amazon.co.jp and you find hundreds of sports shoes in that size.

Hmm, I tried looking and I can't find any. My size is 28cm, and the highest I've seen is 25.5. Maybe if I look some more, I might find it, but I don't think it is worth it. Have you seen the prices?

I have now pretty much decided I'm going to bring a cheap $15-$20 indoor sneaker with me so I don't have to deal with all the headache of trying to find a shoe in my size and that isn't overpriced once I'm in Japan.

Ini
June 23rd, 2016, 10:20
A women's us size 10 is about 26cm/26.5 according to my google-fu. A men's us 10 is about 28cm

moonbeam
June 23rd, 2016, 10:26
I wear pants every day of my life. Track suits are also popular at my schools, mostly with the men though. The ladies are also pretty casual though, usually khakis and a blouse or t-shirt.

My indoor shoes are $10 black flats. One teacher's indoor shoes are literally old sandals that are falling apart. I don't have indoor sneakers and wear my flats in the gym. I'm not expected to join in any physical activities though, except for special 'sports day' where the entire school gathers after a lunch for a game of dodge ball or tag.

...I'm also a horrible person and sometimes where my indoor shoes outside. Not while I'm at school, but on my days off and I leave my town. TBH, no one is going to notice or care and I clean them off before coming back to school so no one has had a reason to notice or care...

acpc2203
June 23rd, 2016, 13:02
I just keep a pair of Jordan's by the gym.

uthinkimlost?
June 23rd, 2016, 13:03
I just keep a pair of Jordan's by the gym.

How many pumps does it take before they let you out on the floor?

acpc2203
June 23rd, 2016, 13:25
Just a few

JPNLKatie
June 23rd, 2016, 13:51
A women's us size 10 is about 26cm/26.5 according to my google-fu. A men's us 10 is about 28cm

Oh, you are absolutely correct. I just did a quick google search before making that last post and accidentally looked at the men sizes. However, the problems still exists as it seems finding anything above 25.5cm for women shoes is difficult.

JPNLKatie
June 23rd, 2016, 13:58
I just ended up buying a pair of slip on athletic bungee shoes from walmart for $16. They are pretty darned comfortable for a cheap shoe. I figure I can use these as a backup indoor shoe if something happens to my black flats. I also made sure the shoes were white-soled so that I can wear them in the gym.

acpc2203
June 23rd, 2016, 14:47
If you want to fit in wear crocs with socks.

Wakuwaku
June 23rd, 2016, 19:00
I work at a very conservative international school and pants are OK here so you should be fine. However, be cautious about gym pants that are fitted. Japanese women don't usually wear tight workout gear. The usual thing for the female teachers in my school (and from my time as an ALT) is really loose shirts and track pants.

I would also bring a bathing suit from home as they are expensive here.

As as for shoes, you will want several pairs of indoor and outdoor shoes. I have one pair of outdoor shoes for both entrances to the school. Slip on ones will save your sanity. White soles are best, but I wear ones with black and no one has ever commented. Runners are fine, most if the teachers here wear them as their inside shoes. Just make sure they are closed toe.

In in your sizes, you will be fine for clothes. And if nothing else Amazon.jp is awesome for shoes. Good luck!

jaejoa
June 23rd, 2016, 21:49
I'm around a size 10 in clothes too but I fit fine into Japanese sized clothing. I don't know if you're height would be a factor, haven't been to Japan. Most of my Japanese girl friends are the same height as me (166 cm) or shorter, but I know quite a few really tall girls. I've asked about shoe size to them before because I'm a size 10 as well in shoes, but they said it should be fine or I could just wear men's sizes.

TachikawaTruffle
June 28th, 2016, 10:16
(Wrong thread)

Lianwen
June 28th, 2016, 11:26
I wore jeans sometimes to school (so did my pred) and no one came after us.

If you want my opinion, if yer a lady, stock up on deodorant and bras.

Ini
June 28th, 2016, 12:48
remind me, is this the school where nobody respected you and everyone treated you like shit?

dont wear jeans
dont listen to lianwen
dont

Lianwen
June 28th, 2016, 12:54
Well, it was in my last month before I toodled off to a different part of Japan.

GodInStrafeMode
June 28th, 2016, 17:23
If you want to fit in wear crocs with socks.

This guy knows what's up!
(although I would never be caught dead in crocs)

sourdoughsushi
July 7th, 2016, 13:37
If you want to fit in wear crocs with socks.

This. I have 3 pairs. No shame.