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mindarchitect
December 21st, 2005, 12:13
I wish I could say I'm confident I will get the position, but I'm not. Even though I have a strong resume and recommendation letters, it seems that the acceptance criteria is random after seeing so many people qualified people get rejected. I'm banking on the fact that I will get accepted, which isn't really wise, given the 25% acceptance rate.

A wiser plan would be to have a plan B for living in Japan. I've thought about working for NOVA, but that thought makes me shudder in pain. Has anyone else explored some alternatives? I'm a qualified software developer who doesn't speak Japanese, so I don't think getting a real job in Japan would be feasible. One reason why I was attracted to JET is that they make the transition to Japan easy for newcomers.

So what are your thoughts?

dude
December 21st, 2005, 13:59
I've been looking at NOVA also. probably what i'll do if i can't get into JET. although I do speak japanese pretty well already so maybe I'll be able to find another way into the country.
A former highschool teacher of mine that i still keep in touch with did AEON like 10 years ago, when he first graduated from college. He said he really enjoyed it and thought it was a really good program. not sure how it is nowadays however.

December 21st, 2005, 15:56
:)

dobharrison
December 21st, 2005, 16:47
I've thought about working for NOVA, but that thought makes me shudder in pain.

I've met people here who enjoy working for NOVA, so don't discount them completely.

Saying that, I'll recommend Westgate again: www.westgate.co.jp

Danimalcrackers
December 21st, 2005, 23:38
My current job is okay, so if I don't get in, I'm just going to wait it out and apply next year.

shadowrook
December 22nd, 2005, 01:58
I hate my current job!!!! Honestly, if they ask me to strip naked and run through the streets of Toronto during my interview...I'll do it without question, as it'll still be less humiliating than my current job, lol.

I work retail, btw. >_<

WedoJaG
December 22nd, 2005, 08:37
I noticed that some of you were considering NOVA. I recently applied and got an interview but I was wondering if any of you have any more information about the company, they almost seem too good to be true

dobharrison
December 22nd, 2005, 09:27
Some people hate NOVA with a passion and say it's a terrible place to work; some people quite enjoy it. I think it depends on the individual office. Big Daikon may have some better advice for you, though.

merc
December 22nd, 2005, 10:36
If no JET Im gunna put off Japan for a year and head to Korea. Can save more money to help eventual independant move to Japan. Not interested in NOVA etc except last resort.

Ko-neko
December 22nd, 2005, 10:43
Nova sucks ass. At least that is what everyone tells me.

However, you could use them to get in then shop around for an alternative. There are a lot of private English schools around. See what you can get.

Anna

Purge
December 23rd, 2005, 23:02
I hate my current job!!!! Honestly, if they ask me to strip naked and run through the streets of Toronto during my interview...I'll do it without question, as it'll still be less humiliating than my current job, lol.

I work retail, btw. >_<

I second that!!! :D

On the NOVA thing though, i've benn speaking to a woman that used to be on NOVA who really enjoyed it and says it was one of the best experiences of her life. She said that, basically, it's what you make it.
A lot of people go to NOVA who aren't interested in teaching Japanese at all and these are the people who hate it. Even if you don't want to pursue teaching as a full time career try to do your best anyway. Your students will appreciate you for it, which will make you feel good and make NOVA a good experience.
Personally, the only thing i don't like about NOVA is the shared accomodation (and the fact that you get £5000 less than JET!). However, if i screw up my interview then i'll be applying to NOVA, no messin'! :D

Doomer
January 5th, 2006, 11:15
I work retail, btw. >_<

Im so so sorry...i feel your pain completely...hope you get in!!

BananaBoy
January 26th, 2006, 09:21
Does anyone know anything about Heart English School? http://www.heart-school.jp/en/index.html

They don't have information on salary or applications...of course. I'm about to send them an email; before I do I'd like to see what some others know about the company.

Cartersparkles
January 27th, 2006, 06:27
I've been pinning everything on going to Japan through JET but I'm thinking of applying to the government for an entry-level job. Just kind of worried that if I get a job and then, right away, I have to say, "I'll be needing these days off cause I have an interview for ANOTHER job." :oops: But the way the government works here, you can only apply for this new grad program during the year after you graduate. Well, maybe I should just do it cause they get 90, 000 applicants and only have about 300 jobs.

Ladama
January 27th, 2006, 10:50
Just got my email . . . to tell me I didn't get an interview. :cry: So I guess it's plan B for me, whatever that is. Should I hold out for next year or look at applying to one of these Eikaiwas?

Cartersparkles
January 27th, 2006, 12:24
Just got my email . . . to tell me I didn't get an interview. :cry: So I guess it's plan B for me, whatever that is. Should I hold out for next year or look at applying to one of these Eikaiwas?

Ladama, awww, I'm sorry to hear that. :(

occidental_xiaojie
January 27th, 2006, 15:06
If you still want to teach in Japan and you are from the US you should absolutely check if your state has some kind of JETesque exchange. For example, WI has this sort of relationship with Chiba. And if memory serves, the apps are due in Feb...

Ladama
January 27th, 2006, 16:15
Just got my email . . . to tell me I didn't get an interview. :cry: So I guess it's plan B for me, whatever that is. Should I hold out for next year or look at applying to one of these Eikaiwas?

Ladama, awww, I'm sorry to hear that. :( Thanks, I suppose it good I learn this now rather than possibly get rejected after the interview and not be finding that out until Late March or Early April. Sad. Oh well, I'm rooting for all you guys who have interviews. :)

Ladama
January 27th, 2006, 16:25
If you still want to teach in Japan and you are from the US you should absolutely check if your state has some kind of JETesque exchange. For example, WI has this sort of relationship with Chiba. And if memory serves, the apps are due in Feb... Yeah, maybe, I guess Colorado and Yamagata are sister states and do a fair amount of exchange. I'm going to talk to my sensei tomorrow and see if she can used her awesome sensei-powers and direct me towards different programs. If Japan's not gonna happen, I am going to have a Graphic Design degree soon, I might have to try to use it. :)

Hannah
January 27th, 2006, 16:56
Hey Ladama, that's too bad.

Congrats on your Graphic Design degree though!

I'd look into private English schools rather than the big chains. If you have any contacts in Japan already, that is the best way to go. Chain schools don't seem to treat their employees too well. This is just what I hear anyway.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Ladama
January 28th, 2006, 15:04
Hey Ladama, that's too bad.

Congrats on your Graphic Design degree though!

I'd look into private English schools rather than the big chains. If you have any contacts in Japan already, that is the best way to go. Chain schools don't seem to treat their employees too well. This is just what I hear anyway.

Good luck with whatever you decide. Do you have any suggestions as to where to look online for those kind of positions? My sensei gave me email addresses for a couple of her past students who are in Japan now on Non-JET programs, I'll have to drop them a line and see if they suggest their program or any others.

BananaBoy
January 28th, 2006, 23:14
I was rejected from JET. On Thursday.

Today I have a telephone interview with a school in Mito.

It took 72 hours for me to get an interview with an English school. If you were rejected from JET, it may have been for the best; you can now look around for English schools in the area you would like to live, actually speak to real people about the job, and get a much faster turnaround time (instead of two months).

Here's a good site that has some different listings:

http://www.teachabroad.com/Japan.cfm

Also, I found some random messageboard for ESL teachers:

http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/

That website also has a Chinese and Korean posting area, specifially. There are tons of ALT jobs waiting to be taken. Just look around and have some confidence.

Good luck.

occidental_xiaojie
January 30th, 2006, 15:16
Here's the WI program, as an example:
http://dpi.wi.gov/cal/ie-chiba-ss.html

And as for China...I did this program:
http://www.educasian.com/program/teachinchina.html

January 30th, 2006, 21:38
:)

occidental_xiaojie
January 31st, 2006, 15:08
Maybe the natives do, I dunno. But I tend to think that it is more the UP types and the Minnesotans with the serious accents. Anyone care to weigh in?

Anyway, more Plan B items...
World's best language related summer job:
http://clvweb.cord.edu/prweb/default.asp

Sure, going to Europe after Asia is like seeing the Rockies and then Appalachia, but this grad program looks pretty awesome:
http://www.webster.edu/global/
What do you think?

dude
February 2nd, 2006, 16:25
Well plan B is coming along nicely, Got an interview for AEON and an interview for GEOS. hopefully at least one of those will go well and I'll be in japan by july.

mindarchitect
February 3rd, 2006, 11:57
Well, I didn't get an interview, but it did not come as a surprise.

Whoever said that the JET selection process is completely random, is correct. I'm not really sure how my 2 years of formal teaching experience means I'm less qualified to be a teacher than someone with zero experience, but somehow I think the people at JET know.

But anyways, going back to the topic of my thread...the day I received my email stating I was not welcome for an interview with JET, was the same day I received a request for an interview for a position as a senior developer in Tokyo. Basically this means I have a good chance of moving to Tokyo earning double the salary I would with JET. The irony of the situation made me laugh.

Then I thought about all the people who got rejected while banking their future on getting a JET interview. I kind of feel sorry for these people, but then, they made poor choices by assuming they would be in the 25% to get accepted.

I'm pretty excited about the future now, more so than when I was thinking about the possibility of teaching english in Japan. Anyone else end up having a plan B that turned out to be better than joining with JET?

Ladama
February 3rd, 2006, 15:46
Whoever said that the JET selection process is completely random, is correct. I'm not really sure how my 2 years of formal teaching experience means I'm less qualified to be a teacher than someone with zero experience, but somehow I think the people at JET know. Yeah, no one seems to know, I don't even think the JET people know.


Then I thought about all the people who got rejected while banking their future on getting a JET interview. I kind of feel sorry for these people, but then, they made poor choices by assuming they would be in the 25% to get accepted.It's nothing to bank on, but how many times have you been one of only 4 people applying for a job? Do you have better than a 25% chance of getting this job in Tokyo? If you do, you're pretty lucky there. I'm happy to see your plan B is working out pretty well.

I'm still working on mine. When I got my rejection, I immediately thought about an eikaiwa, but those are more like a cubicle job than a teaching position, and the only company I'm even considering would require a trip to Cali. NOVA is coming to Denver right on my spring break, so it's tempting to at least go for it, but hearing that it's "the mcdonalds of ekaiwa's" is certainly not encouraging. I think plan B right now is have a strong last semester, and put going to Japan on the back burner for now.

mindarchitect
February 4th, 2006, 10:10
It's nothing to bank on, but how many times have you been one of only 4 people applying for a job? Do you have better than a 25% chance of getting this job in Tokyo?

Not sure as I've never asked recruiters how many other people applied. Since I usually do job applications online, I'd estimate that probably hundreds or even thousands of other people are applying for the same job. The thing is, when I apply for jobs, I apply for 10 or 20 at a time, and I do this for weeks on end, which means in a few weeks I am getting interviews and job offers. But what is obvious and different about JET, is that people don't apply for the sake of gaining employment. They apply because they want this specific position, which you cannot apply for anywhere else. For this reason, it doesn't really make sense to compare JET to a normal job.

I would guess that I have a > 50% chance of getting the job offer in Tokyo, based on my experience here in the USA. So far I am 3/3 on interviews/job offers, and if I wear the lucky tie, I will most likely be 4/4.

Jexebel
February 4th, 2006, 15:24
Would working a private company for a year negatively impat your future JET applications?

Everyone should have a tenitave plan B, but for now think optimistic and retain the too-cool mellowness that your apps must have refelected yo get all of us to the interview phase. :^_^:

Ladama
February 5th, 2006, 04:34
Would working a private company for a year negatively impat your future JET applications?

Everyone should have a tenitave plan B, but for now think optimistic and retain the too-cool mellowness that your apps must have refelected yo get all of us to the interview phase. :^_^: I personally doubt I'd do an eikaiwa for a year then do JET, I don't know how many people go for JET after an eikaiwa stint. Who knows if it would negatively impact a JET app? It just might because you would be wise to what "teaching" English in Japan is all about. :D

Josh
May 30th, 2006, 14:09
I'm currently a JET. And though I was aiming at English Conversation schools like NOVA, AEON, if I can't get into JET, I pretty much had no idea what other options are there.

However, it appears to me that once you get yourself into Japan successfully, you'll find out about resources/opportunities within Japan easily. I came across this book that someone wrote on this very topic and figure it might of help to people who can't get into JET. You can check it out here (http://beinvolved.japan7625.hop.clickbank.net).