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lazarus
July 6th, 2007, 11:45
My buddy just graduated and was thinking about applying to Interac and Nova (by the time I told him about JET it passed the application deadline).


Anyways, he asked me about these companies and since I know very little I thought I might get some useful info here. (I've already read some threads on these companies).

Anyways:
1) He has a 4 year B.A.Sc degree from a State University. Is that acceptable to get a VISA?

2) If he does go to an interview, what kind of educational documentation do they ask for, and what needs to be supplied?

I think he is confused since he did his first 3 years at technical college, and his last year at the state uni. He has both a 3 year diploma from the technical college, and a 4 year diploma from the state university (he took a bridge program).

This means he has 3 years worth of credits and transcripts from the college and 1 year of credits and transcripts from the uni.

Everything is accredited, but he didn't do the full 4 years at the state uni..

babydollwannabe
July 6th, 2007, 11:54
I interviewed with both Nova and Interac earlier this year. They didn't ask for any educational documents to be submitted at time of interview (I haven't graduated at the time), but asked a copy of University degree to be submitted if I decide to accept job offer.

For the interview, there was an application form (For Nova) that had to completed with photos attached to be brought to the interview, but that was it. As for interac, the application form had to be submitted prior to interview. Basically, the application just has a whole bunch of education info, work experience info that had to be filled out, pretty standard.

With a bachelor's degree, your buddy should have no problem getting a visa through nova or interac. I think Interac hires without university degree for short term positions (called internship positions). I don't think the split of educational institution would have mattered as long as your buddy has the bachelor's degree certificate to prove his completion.

dombay
July 6th, 2007, 13:30
The applications for the new jet year'll be out in October. If i were him/her i'd wait till then.

Ini
July 6th, 2007, 13:33
Just go for interac, its the same as JET and the slight difference in pay is made up for by the fact you dont end up in the back of beyond.

1874
July 6th, 2007, 13:38
He could have done three years at the shittiest community college as long as he actually graduated from the University. No one can tell by your diploma how many years you spent there. The University name on the diploma is where you got your degree and that's that.

tedcase
July 6th, 2007, 23:08
tell hime to wait till Jet application starts again. its not that long and its worth it.

dombay
July 6th, 2007, 23:10
tell hime to wait till Jet application starts again. its not that long and its worth it.

Yep!

Ini
July 6th, 2007, 23:34
is it?

bullshit from the boe
mindless meetings every 5 minutes
shitty ajet
having to live 8 hours from the nearest major city
throwing the dice on the whole ESID thing

damn nigga, just take the 150 quid a month pay cut and live the easy life.

lazarus
July 7th, 2007, 03:38
Cool, well I will tell him about this thread, and if he has anymore questions about this stuff, he can register and ask here. :)

As for JET, I know he can't wait since he has to have a job by August since his parents are making him move out of the house. lol

D-Lux
July 7th, 2007, 04:32
Sounds like he might feel more comfortable living a country where it's normal and acceptable to live with parents beyond the age of 18.

Too bad his parents don't live there.

thestoryofjune
July 7th, 2007, 04:46
is it?

bullshit from the boe
mindless meetings every 5 minutes
shitty ajet
having to live 8 hours from the nearest major city
throwing the dice on the whole ESID thing.

Waiting seven months to find out you still don't have a fucking job.

Spring
July 7th, 2007, 07:23
What is better Nova or Interac?

dombay
July 7th, 2007, 09:22
Nova looks as though it might go out of business in a few months but then the average nova/interac employee doesn't seem to work for them that long anyway.

kiwimusume
July 7th, 2007, 14:04
Sounds like he might feel more comfortable living a country where it's normal and acceptable to live with parents beyond the age of 18.

Too bad his parents don't live there.

So, in *checks location* the United States, paying cheap rent (if any) and few bills (if any) at home and putting what you save towards, like, your startup money for JET, is considered abnormal and socially unacceptable? I'm glad I'm not American...

Btw, if I were in his situation, I'd probably apply for Nova and Interac, as well as any other similar companies (Geos, Aeon, etc). If he doesn't like it once he gets over here, he can always find something else.

Spring
July 8th, 2007, 02:23
So apply to both Nova and Interac? It would be good to know which one would be the more enjoyable and a more beneficial company to teach for.

D-Lux
July 8th, 2007, 03:21
Sounds like he might feel more comfortable living a country where it's normal and acceptable to live with parents beyond the age of 18.

Too bad his parents don't live there.

So, in *checks location* the United States, paying cheap rent (if any) and few bills (if any) at home and putting what you save towards, like, your startup money for JET, is considered abnormal and socially unacceptable? I'm glad I'm not American...


It would be one thing to move back in with them for a couple months to save up money for JET, but if you're in your 20s and have never *not* lived with your parents, then yes, you are pathetic.

meganegaki
July 8th, 2007, 06:35
I can't imagine living in a society where one's parents threw them out at 18. In my province the general standard is to live at home until you complete university at least, unless you live too far to make the commute/are going away to school, or have serious communication issues with your folks.

1565
July 8th, 2007, 07:19
It would be one thing to move back in with them for a couple months to save up money for JET, but if you're in your 20s and have never *not* lived with your parents, then yes, you are pathetic.
Where's that big rolleyes.gif?

D-Lux
July 8th, 2007, 07:47
I can't imagine living in a society where one's parents threw them out at 18. In my province the general standard is to live at home until you complete university at least, unless you live too far to make the commute/are going away to school, or have serious communication issues with your folks.

I don't know how many people are necessarily getting thrown out. It's more of a reflection on one's own character for choosing to live in a state of prolonged childhood rather than take responsibility for one's self. Don't get me wrong, I love my family, we get along great. But extending your dependence on them after the point at which you're supposed to be an adult isn't a good thing.

kiwimusume
July 8th, 2007, 11:09
I can't imagine living in a society where one's parents threw them out at 18. In my province the general standard is to live at home until you complete university at least, unless you live too far to make the commute/are going away to school, or have serious communication issues with your folks.

I don't know how many people are necessarily getting thrown out. It's more of a reflection on one's own character for choosing to live in a state of prolonged childhood rather than take responsibility for one's self. Don't get me wrong, I love my family, we get along great. But extending your dependence on them after the point at which you're supposed to be an adult isn't a good thing.

Whereas me, I don't understand why anyone would turn down cheap (or free) rent/bills while they're studying just to show how "adult" they are. If the commute isn't possible or you have serious issues with your parents, as meganegaki said, then obviously you have no choice, but if the only reason is because "it's what the cool kids do", then to me it kind of seems like you're wasting resources that are open to you.

But I guess it depends on the society you live in, and that society's perception of what it means to be an adult. Where I'm from, for example, it's OK to live at home, but someone who doesn't work and pay board or contribute to the family's expenses in some way would probably be seen as a bit soft. Then you've got the extremes - the societies where it's OK to live at home without paying expenses, and the societies where anyone who lives at home is a pussy. I like the happy medium my area seems to have found, but it all depends on what you're used to, I guess.

And Spring, if I was being picky I'd wait and apply for JET, but it looks like this guy's not in a position to be picky (unless he wants to work in his town until he gets into the program he wants most, which is another option) so if it was me I'd apply for any English teaching job I could. The more you apply for, the more chance you have of getting hired by one of them, and like I say, if he doesn't like it he can always find a new job once he gets over here.

LaurenRox
July 9th, 2007, 09:15
Just throwing in my two cents because I love a good thread derail.

I'm guessing if he is applying for a Visa (and reading the OP) that since he went to college, the person in question has NOT never lived with his parents. (Sort out the double-negatives and then get back to me.)

After college, I came back to live at my parents' house and worked as a waitress for two years. I guess that may be degrading to some people, but after that time I was able to pay off 100% of my student loans, purchase a brand-new car, and take a month's vacation in Switzerland.

So, to paraphrase the great Marge Simpson: If doing all that makes me lame, then I guess I'm just a big lame.

kiwimusume
July 9th, 2007, 09:38
So, to paraphrase the great Marge Simpson: If doing all that makes me lame, then I guess I'm just a big lame.

I like it. I like it a lot. :D

kotatsu-sama
July 9th, 2007, 10:50
What is better Nova or Interac?

They both have their good and bad points. It's rather difficult to compare them since you are comparing apples to oranges. One is an ALT job and one is an eikaiwa job. I would say interview with both of them. Since the recruiter's will give a presentation about their company/teaching/life in Japan/etc, that might help you make a better decision.

Personally, I interviewed with NOVA, and I didn't like them at all, and I determined that during the presentation, but on the other hand, I interviewed with another major eikaiwa and I loved them. So it's not like I didn't like eikaiwa's, I just didn't get a good vibe with NOVA, but everyone has a different experience so I would check them out.

piinku
July 11th, 2007, 12:09
If he has to be out by August, I doubt applying with Nova or Interac help. He has to apply, wait to get an interview scheduled - not sure how far he lives from the Nova offices, or even where the American offices are (although it's easy enough to find out). When my ex applied to Nova, his interview was the first week of July, they told him he'd be able to start for September 1, but later pushed it back to October 1 because of visa stuff. And he rushed everything as much as he could. So if he should probably keep that in mind. I'd say with Nova, if he applied right now and hurried everything, he could probably only start for November 1. Nova isn't as bad as people say, it's really ESID too. I'm sure there's Jet positions out there that are worse then the odd Nova one, but the benefits are better on Jet and they pay the way over - how is he going to afford to buy the ticket over here like you have to with Nova? Jet is overall better (I haven't worked for Nova but have a lot of friends that do, and the Nova in my city isn't too bad as Novas go).

Not sure about Interac. That's just my two cents to contribute, take it with a grain of salt.

Ini
July 12th, 2007, 09:27
Interac are evil, but so are all the McEnglish schools.

No pay for the first 2 months, $1000 max for your flight out, "interesting" approach to visas etc. Only up side is the job is as pointless as JET.

Spring
July 27th, 2007, 02:19
I applied to Interac and Nova so far, heard back from Interac... they said that I would MAYBE have the opportunity to take over a teaching position in the months of October-December.

This doesn't sound astoundingly reassuring, so I'm going to apply to as many companies as possible.

What are some other English teaching companies that I can apply to excluding the JET program?

Also how do I change my %#&$^ Avatar? :)

kiwimusume
July 27th, 2007, 08:29
Geos and Aeon come to mind. I think there's another big one too. What's the problem with changing your avatar? Is it finding where to do it, or does it keep saying your icon is too big and rejecting it? For the former, you hit "profile", scroll down to the bottom and follow the instructions. For the latter, you can get round it by uploading your icon to, like, Photobucket or something, then type/c&p the URL into "Link to off-site Avatar".

Spring
August 11th, 2007, 11:37
Geos and Aeon come to mind. I think there's another big one too. What's the problem with changing your avatar? Is it finding where to do it, or does it keep saying your icon is too big and rejecting it? For the former, you hit "profile", scroll down to the bottom and follow the instructions. For the latter, you can get round it by uploading your icon to, like, Photobucket or something, then type/c&p the URL into "Link to off-site Avatar".

Thanks for the tips, I'll apply to those companies and the Avatar works. Its not as big as GeorgeCarter's though. :(

I wonder what that other big school is?

ShinobiScott
August 12th, 2007, 03:25
I applied for the 2007 JET program and got tossed in the alternates pile of candidates. I feel JET is a real crapshoot when it comes to being picked.

With other agencies like Interac and NOVA they aren't going to leave you hanging for ten months of shuffling paperwork and giving you vague ideas of where you stand in the pecking order of things.

Interac is basically JET without all the extra perks that JETs receive like free airfare, subsidized living quarters, and having somebody to walk you through every thing. If you are familiar with living in Japan already or are more of an adventureous type who can handle learning things on your own then Interac is the only real substitute for JET if you can't wait/can't get in.

NOVA, Aeon, GEOS, and other Eikaiwas like them will give you plenty of work and are more willing to place you in large metropolitain areas. The downside to them is that you will WORK and the hours may not be as desireable as you might get evening hours and odd days off in some cases. Of course there are MANY happy Eikaiwa employees to counter all the nightmare stories out there.

I hate how people throw ESID around here but its for the most part true. Somebody may absolutely love something you completely hate or feel uncomfortable with. I think the best thing about all of this is that you are under a somewhat short contract (one year isn't all that long) so if you end up not liking teaching (or being a clasroom monkey) you can always go back home and join the dull ranks of normal people. I know I will be in school for life one way or another! I am too used to having summers off now....

The big key to applying to JET or any other teaching abroad program is to be open minded and flexible. If you want to get out of your country right after graduation you may want to bypass JET if you really think the 'gods' are in your favor, if not make some fallback plans.

My 2cents.

tedcase
August 17th, 2007, 15:05
always have a back up plan, immediately after my Jet interview i applied for interac, and when i found out that i was an alternate i was happy to go ahead with the interac process. in fact i was about to post off the interac visa app when i was upgraded.

Regrdless, interac pays less and there is still the chance you could get dumped in the middle of nowhere. but by all accounts my placement is as bad as it gets, but im still enjoying myself, which is good i think since i dont even have a car.

Thing about interac is you dont get all the perks you do from jet. you are not a government employee, you dont get the same treatment in the tokyo reception (5* hotel, meeting your ambassador, paid flights, airport transport etc). interac also dosent have the support systems JET does.

my advice to your friend would be to apply for both but put him/herself in a position to take jet if offered a place, but have interac as a backup if not. jet is much harder to get into.

dombay
August 17th, 2007, 15:21
Interac: Pay your own flights, transport in Japan, rent, AND eat on a really shitty wage! With added lack of job security, tax help, allowances, conferences, junkets, etc - it's a winning deal!

Seriously, don't do it.

Elfen
August 30th, 2007, 09:30
Does anyone know much about GEOS? Being set up with an apartment, not having to pay key money, and not having to buy furniture sounds like a pretty sweet deal in exchange for buying your own plane ticket.

I'm trying to prioritize which back-up companies I'm going to apply with in case I don't get into JET 2008. (Yes, I do know to apply to everything. :D )

Atalante
August 30th, 2007, 10:48
Does anyone know much about GEOS? Being set up with an apartment, not having to pay key money, and not having to buy furniture sounds like a pretty sweet deal in exchange for buying your own plane ticket.

I'm trying to prioritize which back-up companies I'm going to apply with in case I don't get into JET 2008. (Yes, I do know to apply to everything. :D )

I know someone who works for GEOS. He seems to enjoy it sometimes, but he says that management is always on his ass trying to sell their books to the students. Some of his students suck and some are great, which is typical I`m sure. He seems to really want to get out of it and work for a better eikawa, but he`s been there for a decent amount of time now so it`s not like he hates the job.

I guess a lot of it is based on who your boss is. Some bosses are bloody awful and will make you regret coming over to Japan, while some are really cool. Luck of the draw I guess, you`d be well-suited to research some good offices and request those.

ShinobiScott
September 2nd, 2007, 11:53
Interac: Pay your own flights, transport in Japan, rent, AND eat on a really shitty wage! With added lack of job security, tax help, allowances, conferences, junkets, etc - it's a winning deal!

Seriously, don't do it.

I am an Interac ALT and its really not as 'shitty' as you make it out to be. It is as good as you make it. Sure, they aren't going to hold your hand through every thing and give you money to burn like JET but its still a real ALT position just like JET. So far I have received a lot of help from Interac getting started. Let me give a run-down on how things start for a new Interac ALT.

You will be expected to pay for your flight into Tokyo or Osaka depending on your expected placement area but this isn't really that expensive as one-way tickets are only about 600 dollars after taxes and fuel fees. Upon arrival you will be met by another ALT from Interac who will take you to your hotel which will be fully paid by Interac. I got to stay in Asakusa Centeral Hotel which was very close to the Kaminarimon entrance in Asakusa. My nights were absolutely free so I was able to chill and have fun anywhere in Tokyo within reason. Took lots of pictures and saw lots of stuf while I was there. During the week you will be training at either a branch office or the main Interac office. Training isn't all that interesting but it is kind of helpful to get some ideas going. Its not the best training I suppose, but they do a decent job preparing you for general things you may be expected of. You will get more specific ideas of how to handle your classes once you visit your placement.

After one week of training you are taken to your placement area free of charge by express train/bus depending on where you live. I took a train out and was escorted part way by my scheduler who was very friendly and a big help helping me navigate the subway during morning rush hour. Upon arriving at your final destination you will meet your local support person which is usually a house-wife who isn't a direct employee of Interac but helps you get started and is incharge of showing you around your area and your new school(s).

The housing situation isn't that bad either. Interac does a pretty good job of finding suitable housing for their ALTs. At least in my case they did. I got a brand new Leopalace apartment with all the fixings like a TV, Microwave, Big refrigerator, AC/heater, washing machine, and a bed. I heard some other ALTs I trained with even got Internet and cable TV included in their packages. Some ALTs even got small homes in their areas! Rent for a place like mine only costs about 48,000 a month which is pretty cheap considering the size and age of my place (just subtract a couple zeros to find a rough dollar value). I acutally could have got it cheaper if I didn't have a parking spot but I wanted a car so its a part of the deal. It all really depends on your placement and what you finally pick. You won't be forced to go with LeoPalace if you don't want to and the housing department is very good about giving you as many options up front as possible. If you can't afford the initial setup costs for your apartment which could be three times the monthly cost all in one first payment, Interac is willing to give loans at 1percent or even take it from your first paycheck if you want. It all depends on how responsible you are with the money you came with. Just don't blow a lot of it in Tokyo during orientation and you'll do fine probably.

All in all I think its a pretty good alternative to JET. You are more likely to get in as an Interac ALT than as a JET and the interview to new-hire turn around is a lot less nerve racking and time consuming as JETs too. At least with Interac if you do want to stay an ALT for a while you can do it for as long as you please without any time limit. Another PLUS is that you are able to MOVE to another location if you are tired of your original contract area. Interac will work hard to place you in another area. It costs a lot of money to start up new ALTs and train them, so you aren't seen as disposeable as others may have you believe. I assume thats where the Eikaiwas come in...

I was given a lot of opportunities to speak my mind and negotiate things I thought needed fixing about my contract. Interac was very open and supportive about making things work for me, especially when it came to placement area. I wasn't given the placement area I originally applied for but they did give me an area just as good, if not better than what I asked for. I plan to stay here beyond my intital contract period because I got a pretty darn good placement. If at any time after my contract is up and I am not satisfied, I do have first dibs on a new placement. I am sure its the same way for other Interac ALTs also if you decide to try another location in Japan to work.

Thats what I've experienced at least...

As for pay, it may not seem like much, especially if you live in a big metropolitain area like Tokyo but most don't and the same goes for JETs. Most ALTs live in the suburbs or countryside where the cost of living is a lot less expensive and very doable on a 210,000 gross wages a month like me. Sure 20,000 of that is bonus money if I don't miss a day of work but I think of it as a real job where you have to seriously work at it and not skip it just because you don't feel like going. You are no longer college students so you have to start learning responsibility. This is a good way to push you in the right direction.

So all in all its not that bad. My experience may be very different from another Interac employee's but it really depends on the person and his/her willingness to adapt and roll with the punches. Just remember not expect that all of Japan is like Tokyo/Osaka/Kyoto and you'll be fine.

The best advice I can give is don't be afraid to ask QUESTIONS. It doesn't hurt to know.

tedcase
September 2nd, 2007, 12:09
Just remember not expect that all of Japan is like Tokyo/Osaka/Kyoto.

yeah some of it is quite nice.