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Spec-R
September 3rd, 2008, 04:46
Does anyone know whether or not AEON/Interac tends to look badly on people who have applied for a second time?

I'm almost certain that AEON's interviewers don't change, but I wonder whether they would discriminate on people who they rejected previously.

Interac might be different since if you bombed their video part (you get *one take*) and do well the next time, you might have a better chance...unless you did something else they didn't like, and you're blacklisted.

Has anyone applied once, been declined, then made it on the second try?

Ini
September 3rd, 2008, 07:16
who fails an interac interview? did you try to rape the interviewer or something?

Spec-R
September 3rd, 2008, 08:11
No, the interview itself went fine.

I did very poorly on the teaching demonstration video because I didn't prepare enough and froze up when she started recording.

I'm not an actor and I don't deal with context-less 'pretend' ad-lib situtations all that well.

That and I think I might have messed up the paperwork afterwards because they after telling me everything was in order, they later emailed me and said thanks but no thanks.

privileged
September 14th, 2008, 21:43
you can definitely apply & interview w/ aeon a 2nd time and get hired.

i am not 100% sure you can apply & interview twice with interac, but my guess would be yes. i think the video is for them to send out to schools (boards of education). if one boe/school didn't like you this round, they could send it to different ones next time. also interac is honestly so disorganized, i doubt they could figure out it was your 2nd time if you didn't tell them.

violetessence
September 19th, 2008, 18:40
I don't know about applying twice, but I applied to Interac when I was waiting for JET to upgrade me. Interac sent me an e-mail saying that despite my "impressive qualifications," they couldn't offer me a position.

I don't know what was up with that, since my interviewer recommended me, but I'm a JET now so I don't care. :-D It worked out for the best.

Just an example to show that you CAN be rejected by Interac and find success elsewhere. :^_^:

patjs
September 20th, 2008, 00:20
that's bizarre... considering Interac is kind of a joke.

Ini
September 20th, 2008, 11:01
and JET isnt?

Spec-R
September 21st, 2008, 10:18
They sort of both are. They just have two different sets of batsh*t crazy criteria.

One is run by morons, the other is just a crapshoot.

Ini
September 21st, 2008, 10:46
If you cant even get a joke of a job what chance do you have of getting a normal one?

Oneiro
September 22nd, 2008, 15:02
Spec-R,

I don't know how many times people, including those far wiser than I, have to tell you that just because your fragile little ego got broken like that doesn't mean that JET is a crapshoot.

OHH BOO-HOO I AM A QUALIFIED APPLICANT. Again, guess what, we all were. Hell, I was made Alternate despite having roughly the same qualifications as you and yet at least I had the good sense to not cry about it on online forums.

I'm sure many who applied and were just as good as us didn't get in. In fact, I know for a fact that over half my Japanese class didn't get past the application stage. Whatever. The criteria that select us are rather abitrary, but no more so than any other job.

In short, get the fuck over yourself.

patjs
September 22nd, 2008, 17:53
The criteria are not necessarily arbitrary either, they just keep it a secret. The whole crapshoot idea is just perpetuated by people like Spec-R who get rejected and feel like they got screwed over.

Gusuke
September 22nd, 2008, 23:50
Just to add in my 2 cents, but I studied abroad with a girl who applied for JET, seemed like a textbook case for a good applicant, but didn't even get an interview. Why? Because she has an awful personality with a huge superiority complex over others which probably seethed throughout her application that stood out like a huge red flag.

So honestly if your going to come off across like an egotistical maniac (Like her) or sperging out on your application, I don't think your getting past the first stage.

Spec-R
September 29th, 2008, 16:41
Spec-R,

I don't know how many times people, including those far wiser than I, have to tell you that just because your fragile little ego got broken like that doesn't mean that JET is a crapshoot.



In case you didn't notice I was just joking in my last post. I don't think it's a total crapshoot... but there's simply a lot of factors that were kept in the dark about, and there's simply too many applicants for the number of interviews they can actually do to make it a really "fair" process.




OHH BOO-HOO I AM A QUALIFIED APPLICANT. Again, guess what, we all were. Hell, I was made Alternate despite having roughly the same qualifications as you and yet at least I had the good sense to not cry about it on online forums.


I wouldn't have bitched at all if I had actually given given an interview. Being an alternate is still a much better situation than being cut down by people sifting through a bunch of paper work.




In short, get the fuck over yourself.

Bitching is more fun.

Spec-R
September 29th, 2008, 16:42
If you cant even get a joke of a job what chance do you have of getting a normal one?

I already had one (a 30K full time salaried job). I hated my boss so I left it.

Ini
September 29th, 2008, 23:57
30k? US? wow, we are all impressed by your minimum wage earning power

blue_is_flower_than_5
September 30th, 2008, 23:13
In the case of a company like Aeon, an otherwise well-qualified applicant might not get a job offer because they're not cut out for sales :'(

I've known several people who didn't make it into JET, and only one person who did. The guy who got in was not the smartest of the bunch, but he was the most sociable. Self-confident, outgoing, willing to work with others, and had an ego that wasn't easily bruised. I think the hiring process makes some sense.

lilly
March 26th, 2009, 10:14
I applied for interac as an alternative to jet, then got the jet job and turned down interac. Now, one year later after being put in a placement I don`t enjoy I wonder what would have happened if i was with interac! (im cold and lonely! my best friend is a 70 year old woman that visits me 1 a week!)
so- im job hunting to move on to my choice of placement, Do you think interac would let me re apply? hmmm, i suppose the is no harm in just trying rather that speculating!
However- there are so many private companies (providing they aren`t going bankrupt) that seem to offer a more solid training and support system, both in and out of class. Sharing lesson plans, classroom observation etc. I would love some of that rather than training myself how to be a teacher. (In my placement im responsible for the curriculum and lessons, and often left alone to teach- which is good sometimes! but I aint a qualified teacher!)
Any comments or advice on private companies in Osaka?

UPGRAYEDD
March 26th, 2009, 13:21
Did you recontract?

Nothing wrong with reapplying. A few companies have tried to leach me from jet. I think they have a list of all the super inaka jets and send them letters trying to get them to move to Saitaima for 60% pay.

AliDimayev
March 26th, 2009, 19:22
30k? US? wow, we are all impressed by your minimum wage earning power
Christ. Even teachers make more than that. And wasn't Spec R and that other guy (with the onigiri avatar) both go on and on how they had high IQs, but didn't get to the interview stage???

triumphtr79
March 26th, 2009, 21:14
AEON seemed to encourage people who weren't offered positions to apply again when I was there. They said they're doing very limited hiring due to the economy and to apply again. So I'd say yes. I don't know about Interac though.

curtaineater
March 26th, 2009, 23:26
Right now everyone is doing really limited hiring, which makes this interviewing process a real pain in the ass. I have an AEON interview coming up but I'm not sure if I should even go. They had a full load on the Amity interview and seem to do these things once a week. If they're taking in ~13 applicants a week for both organizations (since they interview at the same place) and they only have a few jobs, theres a damn good chance that there aren't even jobs available and they're just doing business as usual. Aka, its a waste of everyone's time and money,

Also, interac said that they are only letting about 30% of applicants into the interviews right now, which is pretty bad.

And as for the $30k. I wish I was making that much right now. Its not bad to be getting that sort of pay when you're single.

AliDimayev
March 26th, 2009, 23:28
But even teachers make more than that.

heeyal
March 27th, 2009, 00:21
Right now everyone is doing really limited hiring, which makes this interviewing process a real pain in the ass. I have an AEON interview coming up but I'm not sure if I should even go. They had a full load on the Amity interview and seem to do these things once a week. If they're taking in ~13 applicants a week for both organizations (since they interview at the same place) and they only have a few jobs, theres a damn good chance that there aren't even jobs available and they're just doing business as usual. Aka, its a waste of everyone's time and money.

Had about 60 people at my AEON interview, there was going to be more but about 40 deferred to a later date. Someone asked a question regarding how many positions they were hiring for and got an answer along the lines of:
'If we think that everyone here is good enough then we'll hire all of you.'

I think in that scenario those who were'nt given an immediate position would be put onto some kind of waiting list until places freed up.

curtaineater
March 27th, 2009, 00:26
Well, imagine the logistics of a waiting list that large. If they actually wanted to hire all 60 of you, plus all the people from the other interviews, you could be on that list for years. Realistically, they probably hired well less than a quarter of the people from that group.

heeyal
March 27th, 2009, 00:35
Your estimate is actually pretty spot on from what I saw. My group was last in so I got to see most of the others receiving their 'results envelope'. Although I'm not sure what the numbers from the personal interview were, I'd guess at half got accepted.

Depending on how much it would cost you/how much of an inconvinience it would be, I'd say it's worth going to have a look at AEON so you could see it for yourself as opposed to 2nd/3rd hand info. Although you obviously wouldn't get to see what it's like from just an interview/seminar session, you might be able to get a feel about whether it's a company that you want to work for or not.

privileged
March 27th, 2009, 13:52
'If we think that everyone here is good enough then we'll hire all of you.'

I think in that scenario those who were'nt given an immediate position would be put onto some kind of waiting list until places freed up.
Or, the guy was lying. Factoring in that AEON lies about everything, all the time, for no reason, if you'd worked there as I have, you would recognize that style of AEON bullshit.

They are reliable for the big things -- if they say you are hired, you are hired, and you will be paid when they say you will. Beyond that whatever else you hear from them is pretty much nonsense.

They are very adept at roping you into the process.

Nobody quits. Everyone (Japanese) is transferred, or (foreign) goes home for family emergencies. In our weekly meeting they told us the fact that the head teacher quit "might upset the students" so we were to tell them she had been transferred. I'm not going to kick up a fuss about that, whatever. Add in the stuff you have to say when doing new student interviews, progress reports, selling their crap, it is easy to see how this style of being full of shit encroaches on you.

You will also notice 90 - 95% of the managers are women. Simply curious about why, this was brought up to one of the people at headquarters (not during training, informally) who assured us it was very even, close to 50/50. Horseshit, and what a weird thing to lie about!

You will never get a straight answer out of AEON.

Secrets and lies, secrets and lies....

heeyal
March 27th, 2009, 23:14
Who do you work for now, if you don't mind me asking? JET?

Jcubed
April 3rd, 2009, 08:55
One of my friends got accepted to Aeon last summer and finally arrived in Japan last December. I can only imagine the wait is even longer now.