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"Onion plants are so spicy they make your heart tie into a double knot"

Yes, it does seem that way. I won't talk about Heisig here from now. Anyone like onions?

No, not at all. On forums (not this one in particular but in general) there are those who like to "win" arguments by resorting to personal attacks, and that's how I feel about some of the posts...

I see there is no interest here except to silence people who recommend Heisig by personal attacks like comparing them to Jehova's witnesses.

Well, I hate those Jehovah's Witnesses.

A cult? Why does it seem so strange to recommend a book that I found helpful?

I spent a long time over years studying with many materials. Classes, textbooks, Henshal, pict-o-graphyx, WRP flash...

Japanese kids learn through daily reading & writing practice, while adding relatively few new kanji per year. And stating the obvious, they're already fluent in Japanese when they are using the...

Heh, the other day someone asked me what's メリーゴーラウンド in English, and I said don't you mean 回転木馬, and they said that メリーゴーラウンド is more used today.

That's fair, maybe it doesn't work for everyone.

On the RTK forum there are sometimes people who say they went through X number of kanji but they are having low retention (like less than 50%),...

This was my first kanji book. I enjoy reading some of the etymology. It's definitely a book worth having. However, I disagree that it is better than Heisig. In terms of effectiveness for...

At one time I also thought the Pict-o-grafx book was helpful, but later when I did Heisig I realized the Pict-o-grafx book is far more limited by comparison.

If you think Heisig is about...

How much kanji and vocab can you read already?

If you're thinking of using RTK and aiming for JLPT2, then you may be interested in RevTK Lite. Information is found here...

Kanji in Context is a great material for intermediate study. I use it too. It's not water & oil, the two are complement eachother.

I just came to say "Hey, I did RTK and it was good for my reading", then you guys started saying "it's a waste of time", but without having any proof that it's a waste of time as far as I can see.
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SRS has a ton of research, and has not been adopted by any major school of anything either.

I'm surprised by the lack of studies that either show the success or failure of using RTK, but then...

But I don't measure anything by where I was at after 1 week or 3 months. At that time it's just varying degrees of sucking. I measure by getting to around Kanken4 in one year, and by the books and...

Show me a reputable journal/study that shows Heisig methods are NOT more successful than traditional methods or recommends NOT using Heisig's method as a study method for kanji. :)

I've also never...

Urthona, the way you put it, it makes it sound like by using Heisig you won't also be able to make use of radicals and patterns to learn readings and whatnot.

Heisig is not an end in and of...

hehe that's racist[/QUOTE]

Ofcourse, the chief is 伯.

大規模な災害 だいきぼなさいがい large-scale disaster

Yes, absolutely. It was just an extreme example to illustrate the method.



Chinese people have an easier time to learn how to read Japanese, so I think knowing the kanji is not pointless.
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But the example you showed of how to learn that kanji was just a meaningless list of parts. Heisig is just adding a system to that, and basically encouraging you to think about radicals and...

It's not Heisig's story, it's a story you make yourself by breaking down the radicals on your own.

It's basically what you did, plus adding a ridiculous story, but that's what makes it easier to...

Btw, I just wanted to mention I'm not an AJATT follower. I ran across the RTK sample years after I started learning Japanese, and I liked it so that's why I went through the book.

I can't say yay...

The secret is 1) breaking the kanji into well known parts, and 2) using your visual imagination to make the parts and their positions memorable.

For example, one time someone posted this insane...