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    <font size="-0">Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003 4:06
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    <tt>Hi,

    I don"t want to get into an argument, but I feel you are missing the
    point entirely. Exactly the same things happen in the West, but with
    television. Reference the James Bulger case in the UK a few years
    ago, where children murdered a younger child, taking inspiration from
    a horror movie (Chucky"s Revenge, or something). The whole point
    being that Anime is viewed in Japan the same as mainstream television
    is here in the West. So admitting to being an Anime addict is the
    same as admitting to being a television addict. Of course, I doubt
    admitting to being a tele-addict is what you want in your JET
    interview, but at least its Japanese television.

    If you say you like Pokemon, then its as if you said you watch kid"s
    cartoons, but there is plenty of mainsteam stuff. Mononoke Hime
    (Princess Mononoke) grossed more than Titanic in the Japanese box
    office, and 12 million people went to see it. This was later beaten
    by Evangelion:Death and Rebirth , another Anime.

    Anyway, I think we"ve wandered quite a way from the topic, and if I
    wasn"t bored at work, I"d never have written all this rubbish.

    Matt


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    <font size="-0">Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003 8:13
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    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: JET alternatives</font>
    <tt>Here"s another site that I came across on the net that might help(?)

    http://www.letsjapan.org/

    Hope this isn"t making me sound like i"m only pointing out all the
    bad stuff ^^;;



    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Peter Honigmann Jr
    foleyhonigmann@s... wrote:
    Here is my input on this topic, for what it is worth.


    I worked for a private language school on Miyako island called W.E.
    Center - which had three other schools on Okinawa. We met with an
    American working for them in Madison, Wisconsin, and he seemed like a
    nice enough guy and the job sounded good. And for the most part it
    was pretty good, compared to what I have heard about the other big
    programs, most which have been mentioned already. Howvever, there
    were problems, as well as promises made and not kept.

    The real problem is that no matter how good things sound over here,
    once you get to Japan and find the reality to be different, you are
    in a tight spot. It can be difficult to change jobs once you are
    there, especially if the employer you are working for is your sponsor.

    The only suggestion I have is to speak with others who have worked
    with some of these programs, you can find a lot of info on the web,
    and see what they have to say about them. The other option is to work
    directly for a school that is looking to hire teachers on a JET-like
    system. Apparently schools will host a JET teacher and then like the
    idea, but not like the constant change in teachers, and decide to
    hire people directly.

    For some good opportunities I recommend looking at this web page:
    http://www.ohayosensei.com/

    They have a lot of job opportunities, some for people already in
    Japan, but many for others looking to get over there.

    But far and away I still believe the JET program is the best way to
    go, even though the process takes time, because it is well structured
    and works pretty well.

    Peter



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    Topics in this digest:

    1. Re: other companies for "teaching english in japan"
    From: Matt
    2. Re: other companies for "teaching english in japan"
    From: ahtsai
    3. Re: Re: Japanese animation related employment. Beneficial or not?
    From: RG Pascual
    4. Re: Re: Japanese animation related employment. Beneficial or not?
    From: Christopher Ling


    Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:44:12 -0000
    From: Matt
    Subject: Re: other companies for "teaching english in japan"

    Hi,

    I know what you mean, I was originally planning to go with a
    private
    company, since I have to wait a year between graduating and going
    with JET. So I looked into it in quite a lot of detail. I"ll make a
    few points which I hope are helpful.

    A) The teaching is different to JET, as in you will have control of
    the whole class, with no other teacher present. The classes will be
    smaller though (4 - 12ish). Also, they use effective, modern
    teaching
    techniques. With this in mind, I"d heavily recommend taking a
    recognised TEFL course before you go. Especially since the better
    companies won"t hire you otherwise. The less respectable companies
    will chuck you in a classroom with 3 days observation, then expect
    you to teach on your own. The downside is these courses (Trinity
    TESOL, Cambridge CELTA, are the two major ones) take a month full
    time, and cost around £1000. I took the TESOL myself, and I"ll
    never
    regret it, now I can go anywhere in the world and expect to be able
    to find a teaching job.

    B) The companies vary a lot too. I looked at NOVA first, because
    they
    had a glossy advert in a graduate magazine. But after a friend
    joked
    that he"d heard NOVA stood for NO VAcation, I had a closer look.
    Some
    of their practices are quite dodgy, and I think they are basically
    the McDonald"s of the Japan TEFL world. They take any new
    graduates,
    with no teaching experience, and staff turnover is high. I think
    Aeon
    is a bit better, but I didn"t look at them so much.

    For a long time, I planned to go with SaxonCourt, a recruitment
    agency who supplies native British english speakers to Shane
    English
    Schools Japan. They rarely hire without qualifications, but they
    have
    a very good reputation among TEFL professionals that I have met.
    I"m
    sure there is a US equivalent.

    C) Mostly I"d just recommend being careful, you could easily find
    yourself teaching 7 - 8 lessons per day, with little or no
    training,
    and a year"s contract. Anyone who has taught knows that lessons
    need
    preparation, and that"s going to be on your own time, so look
    carefully at the maximum contact hours the companies advertise,
    and
    how much preperation time and training they give. Also look at the
    holiday arrangements, and how they treat national holidays.

    I ditched this idea in the end, because I wanted to get to know my
    students for longer than the common 4 week courses at private
    schools, and I think JET gives more chances for cultural exchange.
    However, if I want to stay in Japan after JET, or if i"m not
    selected, I"ll go the private route as well.

    Hope my waffle helped a bit,

    Matt


    Message: 2
    Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:50:01 -0000
    From: ahtsai
    Subject: Re: other companies for "teaching english in japan"

    good day,

    new guy on this list. just thought i"d throw in my two cents.

    NOVA i"ve heard nothing but bad news about them. Everything from
    them
    treating their teachers (ie you) like crap to stalking you. The
    stalking is a result of the company rule that says you"re not to
    socialize with your students outside of the class. This i believe
    was
    the reason for a lawsuit against NOVA in Osaka by one of their
    teachers. The teacher"s wife was a student at NOVA. Apparently,
    NOVA
    stalk/spies on the teachers sometimes to see if they go out and
    meet
    their students out of the classes.

    My japanese friends who worked at NOVA before said the company
    treats
    their teachers like crap and advised against working there for any
    reason. Like Matt said, the turn over rate is high...consider that
    they higher around 500+ ppl every year. Even a company like
    Nintendo
    or Sega doesn"t higher more than 20-30 new employees every year.

    Geos apparently isn"t much different from NOVA. One example that
    another Japanese friend of mine who worked at GEOS told me was how
    the teachers are forced to sell the textbooks GEOS makes even if
    they
    hate them. Not to mention their service was pretty crap when I went
    to one of the offices and asked them if I could apply for a
    position.
    They told me to go to the head office in Osaka (note that i was in
    Tokyo at the time).

    ECC and AEON i don"t know much about. ECC appears to be fairly good
    (IE i haven"t heard anything bad about them). AEON is on the JET
    website as an alternative to the JET program. I know there are
    other
    programs similar to JET that other schools/cities handle
    themsevles.
    Yokohama apparently has their own ALT program, but it apparently
    has
    a very bad reputation. If i find information on other ALT/JET
    programs in Japan i"ll post the info here.

    that"s my two cents...

    Andy


    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Matt wrote:
    Hi,

    I know what you mean, I was originally planning to go with a
    private
    company, since I have to wait a year between graduating and going
    with JET. So I looked into it in quite a lot of detail. I"ll make
    a
    few points which I hope are helpful.

    A) The teaching is different to JET, as in you will have control
    of
    the whole class, with no other teacher present. The classes will
    be
    smaller though (4 - 12ish). Also, they use effective, modern
    teaching
    techniques. With this in mind, I"d heavily recommend taking a
    recognised TEFL course before you go. Especially since the better
    companies won"t hire you otherwise. The less respectable
    companies
    will chuck you in a classroom with 3 days observation, then
    expect
    you to teach on your own. The downside is these courses (Trinity
    TESOL, Cambridge CELTA, are the two major ones) take a month full
    time, and cost around ?000. I took the TESOL myself, and I"ll
    never
    regret it, now I can go anywhere in the world and expect to be
    able
    to find a teaching job.

    B) The companies vary a lot too. I looked at NOVA first, because
    they
    had a glossy advert in a graduate magazine. But after a friend
    joked
    that he"d heard NOVA stood for NO VAcation, I had a closer look.
    Some
    of their practices are quite dodgy, and I think they are
    basically
    the McDonald"s of the Japan TEFL world. They take any new
    graduates,
    with no teaching experience, and staff turnover is high. I think
    Aeon
    is a bit better, but I didn"t look at them so much.

    For a long time, I planned to go with SaxonCourt, a recruitment
    agency who supplies native British english speakers to Shane
    English
    Schools Japan. They rarely hire without qualifications, but they
    have
    a very good reputation among TEFL professionals that I have met.
    I"m
    sure there is a US equivalent.

    C) Mostly I"d just recommend being careful, you could easily find
    yourself teaching 7 - 8 lessons per day, with little or no
    training,
    and a year"s contract. Anyone who has taught knows that lessons
    need
    preparation, and that"s going to be on your own time, so look
    carefully at the maximum contact hours the companies advertise,
    and
    how much preperation time and training they give. Also look at
    the
    holiday arrangements, and how they treat national holidays.

    I ditched this idea in the end, because I wanted to get to know
    my
    students for longer than the common 4 week courses at private
    schools, and I think JET gives more chances for cultural
    exchange.
    However, if I want to stay in Japan after JET, or if i"m not
    selected, I"ll go the private route as well.

    Hope my waffle helped a bit,

    Matt





    Message: 3
    Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:35:03 -0800
    From: RG Pascual
    Subject: Re: Re: Japanese animation related employment. Beneficial
    or not?

    Tom,

    I"m glad that being an otaku didn"t count against you... I think
    that
    is something that Western society has struggled with for a long
    time
    (accepting Anime and Manga); Here on the States-side, comic books
    are
    affiliated with childhood and the pre-teen years. Animation is also
    treated as kidstuff . I suppose the advisor who suggested to
    suppress
    an interest in Anime was merely acting out of that vein of thought.
    Perhaps to someone here, an interest in Anime and Manga may seem
    childish or immature. I think that in our excitement, an interest
    in
    getting it right sometimes overrides the simple approach to be
    ourselves. After reading many writings, most from former JET
    participants, it is very tempting to believe that there is a
    cookie-cutter approach to getting accepted.

    My 2 yen,
    Rich



    On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 11:20 PM, sjsamurai007 wrote:

    Hi Chris,

    One of my main interests in Japan was Japanese anime and manga. I
    said that during my interview, and they selected me (though I have
    no way of knowing if the comment that I like manga helped, hurt,
    or
    had no effect...) I collected over 1500 manga during my 2 years
    there, and shipped them all home at the end. All my students knew
    I
    enjoyed it, and it was often something they enjoyed discussing.
    Plus, some manga and anime is very helpful in learning about
    Japanese culture, language, and lifestyle. So accentuate the
    positive value of it, not the tentacle porn otaku side... ;)

    Tom


    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Ling
    wrote:
    Hmm...while we are on the subject, here"s a moderately
    interesting
    question...

    While I was attending university (still am, but anyways) I"ve had
    two
    significant jobs. One is my system administration job at one of
    the
    engineering departments on campus and the other is as vice
    president of a
    company that sells...anime-related stuff.

    Now, before we go too far, I realize that mentioning ANYTHING
    that
    has to do
    with anime is probably gonna get you sunk faster than emphasizing
    one"s
    great and devout appreciation for say...JPOP or Tokyo-like
    things,
    but I"m
    wondering if I can still use this position to some benefit on my
    education.

    Here"s my spin. Our company imports Japanese comics (specifically
    fan made
    comics called doujinshi ) for American consumption at
    conventions. Because
    of this, time must be actually spent negotiating prices and that
    sort of
    thing. Hence, I could say that the job is pertinent because it
    shows me how
    to interact with the Japanese on a business level, which one
    could
    say might
    be analagous to working with Japanese students on an academic
    level.

    So is this useful or not? I honestly care not that much for anime
    and am not
    going to the country for that purpose. And the way I see it, had
    it been any
    other product my company was dealing with, this would actually
    look better.
    Oh well.

    Any thoughts on this would be mightily appreciated. Since
    tomorrow
    is Turkey
    Day, I"ve got an extra day to edit my application before I send
    it
    out so
    hopefully you guys can give me some feedback on this.

    Much thanks in advance!




    Message: 4
    Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:31:34 -0800
    From: Christopher Ling
    Subject: Re: Re: Japanese animation related employment. Beneficial
    or not?

    My problem with talking about my job is that from dealing with
    customers at
    anime conventions, I feel that it seems so easy to lump anyone and
    everyone
    as part of this otaku /geek crowd. One can argue how anime and
    manga can be
    on a higher level of intellectual importance and all than American
    cartoons
    but I honestly couldn"t believe that the JET recruiters would care.

    But yeah, it seems that I am trying to put a real systematic spin
    on how to
    get into JET. Oh well. It was sent out the day before without the
    addition
    so here"s hoping my other skills are enough for the job. ;)

    -Chris

    Tom,

    I"m glad that being an otaku didn"t count against you... I think
    that
    is something that Western society has struggled with for a long
    time
    (accepting Anime and Manga); Here on the States-side, comic books
    are
    affiliated with childhood and the pre-teen years. Animation is also
    treated as kidstuff . I suppose the advisor who suggested to
    suppress
    an interest in Anime was merely acting out of that vein of thought.
    Perhaps to someone here, an interest in Anime and Manga may seem
    childish or immature. I think that in our excitement, an interest
    in
    getting it right sometimes overrides the simple approach to be
    ourselves. After reading many writings, most from former JET
    participants, it is very tempting to believe that there is a
    cookie-cutter approach to getting accepted.

    My 2 yen,
    Rich



    On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 11:20 PM, sjsamurai007 wrote:

    Hi Chris,

    One of my main interests in Japan was Japanese anime and manga.
    I
    said that during my interview, and they selected me (though I
    have
    no way of knowing if the comment that I like manga helped,
    hurt, or
    had no effect...) I collected over 1500 manga during my 2 years
    there, and shipped them all home at the end. All my students
    knew I
    enjoyed it, and it was often something they enjoyed discussing.
    Plus, some manga and anime is very helpful in learning about
    Japanese culture, language, and lifestyle. So accentuate the
    positive value of it, not the tentacle porn otaku side... ;)

    Tom

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    <font size="-0">Date: Mon Dec 1, 2003 8:18
    pm</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: [2004JET] interesting new bit</font>
    <tt>Interesting news, but I look at stuff like that as similar to reports in the
    US that video games are the definitive source of the new surge in violent
    crimes committed by juveniles and disgruntled adults.

    Perhaps there is some truth that some people are driven to extremes because
    of the influences of these mediums, but I think that these are mostly
    isolated cases of sheer extremes. Yet, the media just LOVES to blow these
    things out of proportion which probably adds to the general public suspicion
    and negativity towards anime, video games, pop culture, hard rock, etc. etc.

    Now if these cases were wide sweeping phenomena then perhaps one should
    really be concerned...

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    <font size="-0">Date: Tue Dec 2, 2003 3:38
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    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: Japanese animation related employment. Beneficial or not?</font>
    <tt>I agree. I do not think that JET is looking for this specific type
    of person. When they ask me why I like Japan, of course I"m going to
    say how I love various Japanese movies, including animes... I am not
    ashamed to be a Japanese-movie freak.

    So just be yourself. What I think the interviewers are looking for
    is how well we are in front of people. They are most likely looking
    more for communication skills than anything else. So show confidence
    when you are up there, and sweat it out. Like any other job.

    I am sure they don"t rate us on medical disability, entertainment
    preference, race, or other criteria. However, I am positive they
    reflect on our communication skills... which means they may like an
    extrovert over an introvert. Obviously!

    Brento

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, RG Pascual rgpascual@c... wrote:
    Tom,

    I"m glad that being an otaku didn"t count against you... I think
    that
    is something that Western society has struggled with for a long
    time
    (accepting Anime and Manga); Here on the States-side, comic books
    are
    affiliated with childhood and the pre-teen years. Animation is
    also
    treated as kidstuff . I suppose the advisor who suggested to
    suppress
    an interest in Anime was merely acting out of that vein of
    thought.
    Perhaps to someone here, an interest in Anime and Manga may seem
    childish or immature. I think that in our excitement, an interest
    in
    getting it right sometimes overrides the simple approach to be
    ourselves. After reading many writings, most from former JET
    participants, it is very tempting to believe that there is a
    cookie-cutter approach to getting accepted.

    My 2 yen,
    Rich



    On Friday, November 28, 2003, at 11:20 PM, sjsamurai007 wrote:

    Hi Chris,

    One of my main interests in Japan was Japanese anime and manga. I
    said that during my interview, and they selected me (though I have
    no way of knowing if the comment that I like manga helped, hurt,
    or
    had no effect...) I collected over 1500 manga during my 2 years
    there, and shipped them all home at the end. All my students
    knew I
    enjoyed it, and it was often something they enjoyed discussing.
    Plus, some manga and anime is very helpful in learning about
    Japanese culture, language, and lifestyle. So accentuate the
    positive value of it, not the tentacle porn otaku side... ;)

    Tom


    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Ling
    Shinikenshi@h... wrote:
    Hmm...while we are on the subject, here"s a moderately
    interesting
    question...

    While I was attending university (still am, but anyways) I"ve had
    two
    significant jobs. One is my system administration job at one of
    the
    engineering departments on campus and the other is as vice
    president of a
    company that sells...anime-related stuff.

    Now, before we go too far, I realize that mentioning ANYTHING
    that
    has to do
    with anime is probably gonna get you sunk faster than emphasizing
    one"s
    great and devout appreciation for say...JPOP or Tokyo-like
    things,
    but I"m
    wondering if I can still use this position to some benefit on my
    education.

    Here"s my spin. Our company imports Japanese comics (specifically
    fan made
    comics called doujinshi ) for American consumption at
    conventions. Because
    of this, time must be actually spent negotiating prices and that
    sort of
    thing. Hence, I could say that the job is pertinent because it
    shows me how
    to interact with the Japanese on a business level, which one
    could
    say might
    be analagous to working with Japanese students on an academic
    level.

    So is this useful or not? I honestly care not that much for anime
    and am not
    going to the country for that purpose. And the way I see it, had
    it been any
    other product my company was dealing with, this would actually
    look better.
    Oh well.

    Any thoughts on this would be mightily appreciated. Since
    tomorrow
    is Turkey
    Day, I"ve got an extra day to edit my application before I send
    it
    out so
    hopefully you guys can give me some feedback on this.

    Much thanks in advance!

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    <font size="-0">Date: Thu Dec 4, 2003 9:51
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    <font size="-0">Subject: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>

    Since interviews are coming up, does anyone know if there is a quota from each
    consulate that"s doing the interviewing? As in, does each consulate only get a
    certain number of people they can accept?

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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 3:15
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    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] quotaa?</font>
    <tt>I am under the assumption that there is some sort of quota system set up
    though I am not entirely sure since I don"t think the main JET Programme
    website discloses information such as that. Would scare too many people I
    suppose. :)

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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 1:07
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    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>The number of JETs accepted is directly dependent on the number of
    current JETs who choose not to re-contract. That"s why we have to
    wait so long for the results of our interviews.

    I"m pretty sure CLAIR specify some kind of ratio for applicants from
    each country, but the simple truth is that if all the current JETs
    recontract, hardly anyone new will get in, and vice versa.

    Matt

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Ling Shinikenshi@h...
    wrote:
    I am under the assumption that there is some sort of quota system
    set up
    though I am not entirely sure since I don"t think the main JET
    Programme
    website discloses information such as that. Would scare too many
    people I
    suppose. :)

    -Chris

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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:52
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    <font size="-0">Subject: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>

    Right, they do decide how many people from each country they will take, which is
    dependent on what the people want on the Japan end (I think). And yes it
    depends on how many slots are available to begin with. But out of those
    available slots in the US, do they also say each consulate can only hire a
    certain number of people as well? Or is it a percentage?

    Cuz wouldn"t you have the case where certain consulates in very populous (sp?)
    areas will get a higher number of applicants and therefore will have a smaller
    acceptance rate than say another place which doesn"t have as many applicats?

    thanks
    nancy



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    Subject: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?

    The number of JETs accepted is directly dependent on the number of br current
    JETs who choose not to re-contract. That"s why we have to br wait so long for
    the results of our interviews. br br I"m pretty sure CLAIR specify some kind of
    ratio for applicants from br each country, but the simple truth is that if all
    the current JETs br recontract, hardly anyone new will get in, and vice
    versa. br br Matt br br --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Christopher Ling
    Shinikenshi@h... br wrote: br I am under the assumption that there is some
    sort of quota system br set up br though I am not entirely sure since I
    don"t think the main JET br Programme br website discloses information such
    as that. Would scare too many br people I br suppose. :) br br
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    From:

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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 6:56
    pm</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>Which is probably why some people speculate that in the US, the California,
    Arizona, and Hawaii consulates are the hardest to get into (in terms of
    sheer percentages) due to the volume of applicants that come out of these
    places.

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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 11:26
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    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>

    darn. as in, noone"s saying, but it"s likely true that there"s a quota...?



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    Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:56:34 -0800
    Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?

    Which is probably why some people speculate that in the US, the California,
    br Arizona, and Hawaii consulates are the hardest to get into (in terms of
    br sheer percentages) due to the volume of applicants that come out of these
    br places. br br -Chris br br _______________________________________________
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    <font size="-0">Date: Fri Dec 5, 2003 11:31
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    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>I"m not sure about this at all, but I thought I heard somewhere that
    JET had quotas based on the states or regions in which the applicants
    live, not the amount of applicants that interview at each consulate.

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, penstand@e... wrote:


    darn. as in, noone"s saying, but it"s likely true that there"s a
    quota...?



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    Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?

    Which is probably why some people speculate that in the US, the
    California, br Arizona, and Hawaii consulates are the hardest to get
    into (in terms of br sheer percentages) due to the volume of
    applicants that come out of these
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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 12:15
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: Nihon go</font>
    <tt>Hi,

    I guess most people here have some interest in Japan, and possibly
    even an interest in Japanese. I"m curious what my fellow JET hopefuls
    are doing about familiarising themselves with the local lingo.

    Myself, I"ve enrolled on an evening class, and can now happily
    introduce myself and present you with my business card. It"s going
    pretty slow (what kind of person names the days of the month??!)
    but Watashi wa ganbatte desu (or something).

    So anyone wanting to share ideas, encouragement, The Best Book, or
    just plain ridicule my nonsensical rambling... dozo.

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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 4:28
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: confirmation cards?</font>
    <tt>Just curious whether anyone"s received their confirmation card stating
    that the JET people have received your application, or if anyone knows
    how long it"s supposed to take to send them out. I sent my JET app
    via overnight mail on Tuesday and am wondering when I should start to
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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:23
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] confirmation cards?</font>
    <tt>Start worrying if you check the confirmation number on where/when it was
    shipped and you find out its out somewhere in Kansas instead of the
    Washington D.C. Japan Consulate. :P

    Since the confirmation cards are sent out via regular 1st class post, expect
    3-5 days for it to arrive (pending where you are in the country) and
    additional days depending on when the JET Programme fellas decide to
    actually mail out the cards.

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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:49
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>The best way to offset the possibility of the presences of a quota
    system is to be the best.

    I know that seems like absolutely worthless advice, but to
    paraphrase the Dalai Lama, if you have control over a situation, you
    don"t have to worry about - and if you don"t have control over it,
    then there"s nothing you can do about it, so why worry about it?

    I think if you go in there with a genuine and positive attitude, you
    won"t need to worry about how many get in from your particular
    area. Perhaps this view puts too much confidence in a)the applicant
    and/or b) the interviews/evaluators, but if you can go in there with
    the attitude that you belong there, and you aren"t scratching and
    clawing for one of the last spots (without being arrogant) then I
    think that"s the best outook you can have going into it.




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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 6:57
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: Nihon go</font>
    <tt>I would reccomend the Kodansha Kanji Learner"s Dictionary. I think
    it"s great for studying and looking up different kanji. I"ve found
    it to be very helpful.

    When you get to Japan, you"re Japanese ability will seem next to
    nothing. At least that was my experience. I took conversational
    Japanese for a semester before my work/study, and when I went I
    found I could barely construct a decipherable sentence. After being
    there for 9 months, my Japanese improved a thousandfold. It"s still
    not the greatest, but I"m much more confident with it. So keep
    working on it, and keep use the Japanese friends you meet both here
    and abroad as resources. They can help you fit in with local
    dialects, and a less textbooky sound.

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Matt dynamisx@b... wrote:
    Hi,

    I guess most people here have some interest in Japan, and possibly
    even an interest in Japanese. I"m curious what my fellow JET
    hopefuls
    are doing about familiarising themselves with the local lingo.

    Myself, I"ve enrolled on an evening class, and can now happily
    introduce myself and present you with my business card. It"s going
    pretty slow (what kind of person names the days of the month??!)
    but Watashi wa ganbatte desu (or something).

    So anyone wanting to share ideas, encouragement, The Best Book, or
    just plain ridicule my nonsensical rambling... dozo.

    Mattsu


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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 7:01
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: Re: confirmation cards?</font>
    <tt>I sent mine priorit mail and got the confirmation card 8 days later
    (with a sunday and thanksgiving in between). Being a little closer
    to the deadline, they might have a larger influx now, causing the
    process to be a little slower, but I"m not sure. Anyway, good luck!

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, thatsasin thatsasin@y... wrote:
    Just curious whether anyone"s received their confirmation card
    stating
    that the JET people have received your application, or if anyone
    knows
    how long it"s supposed to take to send them out. I sent my JET app
    via overnight mail on Tuesday and am wondering when I should start
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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 7:02
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: quotaa?</font>
    <tt>Excellent point made! One should be cool and confident (and certainly not
    desperate!) at the interview stage.

    However for me, I"m just worried about getting that far! Once I"m there, the
    confidence will flow.

    Or so I hope! ^^

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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 7:05
    am</font>
    <font size="-0">Subject: RE: [2004JET] Re: Nihon go</font>
    <tt>Haha...I remember my first few weeks in Sendai when I studied at Tohoku
    University in my first year of university. Despite two semesters of Japanese
    study prior to my departure, I had an extremely hard time getting myself to
    even speak in Japanese! After 5 months of study I can say that my knowledge
    has increased severalfold, but since I didn"t motivate myself to speak
    Japanese (it was an engineering program in english!), I guess that didn"t
    help. ^^;

    But if I"m not mistaken, aren"t there supposed to be language courses
    available through CLAIR that gives you the option of learning Japanese while
    doing JET?

    -Chris

    I would reccomend the Kodansha Kanji Learner"s Dictionary. I think
    it"s great for studying and looking up different kanji. I"ve found
    it to be very helpful.

    When you get to Japan, you"re Japanese ability will seem next to
    nothing. At least that was my experience. I took conversational
    Japanese for a semester before my work/study, and when I went I
    found I could barely construct a decipherable sentence. After being
    there for 9 months, my Japanese improved a thousandfold. It"s still
    not the greatest, but I"m much more confident with it. So keep
    working on it, and keep use the Japanese friends you meet both here
    and abroad as resources. They can help you fit in with local
    dialects, and a less textbooky sound.

    --- In 2004JET@yahoogroups.com, Matt dynamisx@b... wrote:
    Hi,

    I guess most people here have some interest in Japan, and possibly
    even an interest in Japanese. I"m curious what my fellow JET
    hopefuls
    are doing about familiarising themselves with the local lingo.

    Myself, I"ve enrolled on an evening class, and can now happily
    introduce myself and present you with my business card. It"s going
    pretty slow (what kind of person names the days of the month??!)
    but Watashi wa ganbatte desu (or something).

    So anyone wanting to share ideas, encouragement, The Best Book, or
    just plain ridicule my nonsensical rambling... dozo.

    Mattsu



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    <font size="-0">Date: Sat Dec 6, 2003 7:08
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    <font size="-0">Subject: AJET</font>
    <tt>I realize this is looking way ahead, seeing as how I haven"t even
    been selected for an interview yet, let alone picked for the job,
    but I was wondering what the current and past JETs thought about
    joining AJET. I read in Importing Diversity... that AJET"s
    numbers have dwindled from 80% in the beginning to 30% membership in
    the late 90s, with the explanation that all of the kinks have been
    worked out of the system . I like being active and aware, and want
    to be a part of a system that keeps the JET program moving in a
    positive direction (assuming I have the chance to become a JET), but
    I don"t want to shell out a large membership fee if it"s turned
    largely into a stagnant group that does nothing but send out
    newsletters constructing mountains out of molehills. My question is
    whether or not it is still a worthwhile organization, and do you
    advice membership? Thank you!

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