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    I've fucking had it with my little shits yelling out 英語がわかんない! as if they're proud to be ignorant, so I want to do something about it.

    Since this only happens at ONE of my elementary schools, I really want to do something to end this bullshit. So, I'm thinking of doing this, after I meet with my teachers next week.

    I'm going to carry a notebook to class, and whenever I hear a kid say it, I'll stop what I'm doing, write their name down, and put a hash mark next to it to keep a tally of it. I don't plan on doing anything since it's more a scare tactic than anything else.

    Does this idea sound doable? I don't want to be some Nazi English teacher but I'm at the end of my rope.

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    I wouldn't go down that path or you'll end up looking like a bit of an arse to the kids. Why not just try the encouragement route? I have a bunch of students that like to say everything is muri. Take them through things until they've answered all your questions, then point out that it's obviously not difficult and sure as shit not impossible.

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    Can you talk about some *cool* person they look up to who speaks english?
    Ichiro or some celebrity who you can show them that they can look up to?
    Maybe theres even a little video or picture of him doing something "foreign"

    Not sure how old the kids are that you're dealing with (works better the younger they are), but in my experience the coolness factor plays into so much of what they do
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    I'd echo what FK says. Showing them it's not difficult and they can do it is the best thing. Even if it's the simplest stuff, make an effort to communicate with the kids who do it a lot. If you're persistent enough they'll realise eventually and stop with the defeatist attitude.

    And when they do yell "wakaranai"s, make them say it in English each time rather than write their names down in a notebook. It appears more reasonable and it should still embarrass them enough to stop them doing it, as well as teaching them some English.

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    Not your job.

    If they're proud to be ignorant or are little shits then you have to stand back and smile to yourself about how badly this country has let their youth slip into that. It's not your fault and not your job to correct it. It's quite funny if looked at in the right angle.

    The best way to make sure that you're both doing your job AND that you maintain your sanity is to be very smiley and look at your job as a chance to get paid to just be really positive all the time. The kids will like you, you'll get along better with the kids.

    If they're being little turds ignore them and just keep up the fake positivity, fake it till you make it if necessary.

    It's your JTEs job to worry about whether or not they end up in a shit job or not. It's not your problem. If your JTE is a complete failure at this which some of them are once again teh best thing to do is stand back and laugh about it. You're not going to be the one pumping petrol up the road in a few years time.

    It might sound cold to say this but in the end it's team teaching. Your part of the team is to be positive, happy and talk in English. If they're saying 'wakaran' a lot and being proud of their ignorance just smile and ignore them. Thing is they're NOT proud of their ignorance or at least won't be in a few years. But they're not going to lose huge amounts of face by bursting into tears every time they don't understand. They're instead going to be little turds about it because it's better for their image in front of their friends.

    My advice is to recognise that. Recognise that it's a very difficult problem to solve. Recognise it's not your job to solve it and keep up the positivity for your own sake and for the rest of the kids.
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    Or bring a list in of the countries that use English as a daily langguage.

    Country Continent Population1 Antigua and Barbuda[3] America 85,000 The Bahamas[3] North America 331,000 Barbados[4] North America 294,000 Belize (3.9%[5]) Central America 288,000 Botswana (2.1%[5]) Africa 1,882,000 Cameroon[3] Africa 18,549,000 Canada[3] North America 33,531,000 Dominica[3] America 67,000 Fiji[3] Oceania 827,900 The Gambia[3] Africa 1,709,000 Ghana[3] Africa 23,478,000 Grenada[3] America 106,000 Guyana[6] South America 738,000 India (associate status)[5] Asia 1,143,540,000 Ireland[3] Europe 4,517,800 Jamaica[7] North America 2,714,000 Kenya[3] Africa 37,538,000 Kiribati[3] Oceania 95,000 Lesotho[3] Africa 2,008,000 Liberia[3] Africa 3,750,000 Madagascar[3] Africa 19,683,000 Malawi[8] Africa 13,925,000 Malta[3] Europe 412,600 Marshall Islands[3] Oceania 59,000 Mauritius[3] Africa 1,262,000 Micronesia[3] Oceania 111,000 Namibia[3] Africa 2,074,000 Nauru[9] Oceania 10,000 New Zealand14[3] Oceania 4,294,350 Nigeria[10][3] Africa 148,093,000 Pakistan[3] Asia 165,449,000 Palau (9.4%[5]) Oceania 20,000 Papua New Guinea[11][12] Oceania 6,331,000 Philippines[13][3] Asia 90,457,200 Rwanda[3] Africa 9,725,000 Saint Kitts and Nevis[14] America 50,000 Saint Lucia[3] North America 165,000 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[15] America 120,000 Samoa[16] Oceania 188,359 Seychelles[3] Africa 87,000 Sierra Leone[3] Africa 5,866,000 Singapore[17] Asia 4,839,400 Solomon Islands[3] Oceania 506,992 South Africa[18] Africa 47,850,700 Sudan[3] Africa 38,560,000 Swaziland[3] Africa 1,141,000 Tanzania[3] Africa 40,454,000 Tonga[19] Oceania 100,000 Trinidad and Tobago[3] North America 1,333,000 Tuvalu[5] Oceania 11,000 Uganda[3] Africa 30,884,000 United Kingdom[20] Europe 61,612,300 Vanuatu[21] Oceania 226,000 Zambia[3] Africa 11,922,000 Zimbabwe[3] Africa 13,349,000
    [edit] Non-sovereign entities

    Entity Continent Population1 American Samoa11 Oceania 67,000 Anguilla[3] America 13,000 Bermuda9[3] America 65,000 British Virgin Islands[3] America 23,000 Cayman Islands (95%[5]) America 47,000 Christmas Island12[3] Oceania 1,508 Cook Islands[3] Oceania 20,200 Falkland Islands South America 3,000 Gibraltar[3] Europe 29,257 Guam4 Oceania 173,000 Guernsey10 Europe 61,811 Hong Kong2[3] Asia 6,985,200 Isle of Man8 Europe 80,058 Jersey6[3] Europe 89,300 Montserrat[5] America 5,900 Niue Oceania 1,600 Norfolk Island[3] Oceania 1,828 Northern Mariana Islands7 Oceania 84,000 Pitcairn Islands13[3] Oceania 50 Puerto Rico3 America 3,991,000 Saint Helena[5] (includes Tristan da Cunha) Africa 6,600 Tokelau [5] Oceania 1,400 Turks and Caicos Islands[3] America 26,000 U.S. Virgin Islands5



    AND THEN MAKE A LIST OF COUNTRIES WHERE JAPANESE IS A DAILY LANGUAGE:


    JAPAN
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliDimayev View Post
    Or bring a list in of the countries that use English as a daily langguage.

    Country Continent Population1 Antigua and Barbuda[3] America 85,000 The Bahamas[3] North America 331,000 Barbados[4] North America 294,000 Belize (3.9%[5]) Central America 288,000 Botswana (2.1%[5]) Africa 1,882,000 Cameroon[3] Africa 18,549,000 Canada[3] North America 33,531,000 Dominica[3] America 67,000 Fiji[3] Oceania 827,900 The Gambia[3] Africa 1,709,000 Ghana[3] Africa 23,478,000 Grenada[3] America 106,000 Guyana[6] South America 738,000 India (associate status)[5] Asia 1,143,540,000 Ireland[3] Europe 4,517,800 Jamaica[7] North America 2,714,000 Kenya[3] Africa 37,538,000 Kiribati[3] Oceania 95,000 Lesotho[3] Africa 2,008,000 Liberia[3] Africa 3,750,000 Madagascar[3] Africa 19,683,000 Malawi[8] Africa 13,925,000 Malta[3] Europe 412,600 Marshall Islands[3] Oceania 59,000 Mauritius[3] Africa 1,262,000 Micronesia[3] Oceania 111,000 Namibia[3] Africa 2,074,000 Nauru[9] Oceania 10,000 New Zealand14[3] Oceania 4,294,350 Nigeria[10][3] Africa 148,093,000 Pakistan[3] Asia 165,449,000 Palau (9.4%[5]) Oceania 20,000 Papua New Guinea[11][12] Oceania 6,331,000 Philippines[13][3] Asia 90,457,200 Rwanda[3] Africa 9,725,000 Saint Kitts and Nevis[14] America 50,000 Saint Lucia[3] North America 165,000 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[15] America 120,000 Samoa[16] Oceania 188,359 Seychelles[3] Africa 87,000 Sierra Leone[3] Africa 5,866,000 Singapore[17] Asia 4,839,400 Solomon Islands[3] Oceania 506,992 South Africa[18] Africa 47,850,700 Sudan[3] Africa 38,560,000 Swaziland[3] Africa 1,141,000 Tanzania[3] Africa 40,454,000 Tonga[19] Oceania 100,000 Trinidad and Tobago[3] North America 1,333,000 Tuvalu[5] Oceania 11,000 Uganda[3] Africa 30,884,000 United Kingdom[20] Europe 61,612,300 Vanuatu[21] Oceania 226,000 Zambia[3] Africa 11,922,000 Zimbabwe[3] Africa 13,349,000
    [edit] Non-sovereign entities

    Entity Continent Population1 American Samoa11 Oceania 67,000 Anguilla[3] America 13,000 Bermuda9[3] America 65,000 British Virgin Islands[3] America 23,000 Cayman Islands (95%[5]) America 47,000 Christmas Island12[3] Oceania 1,508 Cook Islands[3] Oceania 20,200 Falkland Islands South America 3,000 Gibraltar[3] Europe 29,257 Guam4 Oceania 173,000 Guernsey10 Europe 61,811 Hong Kong2[3] Asia 6,985,200 Isle of Man8 Europe 80,058 Jersey6[3] Europe 89,300 Montserrat[5] America 5,900 Niue Oceania 1,600 Norfolk Island[3] Oceania 1,828 Northern Mariana Islands7 Oceania 84,000 Pitcairn Islands13[3] Oceania 50 Puerto Rico3 America 3,991,000 Saint Helena[5] (includes Tristan da Cunha) Africa 6,600 Tokelau [5] Oceania 1,400 Turks and Caicos Islands[3] America 26,000 U.S. Virgin Islands5



    AND THEN MAKE A LIST OF COUNTRIES WHERE JAPANESE IS A DAILY LANGUAGE:


    JAPAN
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliDimayev View Post
    Or bring a list in of the countries that use English as a daily langguage.

    Country Continent Population1 Antigua and Barbuda[3] America 85,000 The Bahamas[3] North America 331,000 Barbados[4] North America 294,000 Belize (3.9%[5]) Central America 288,000 Botswana (2.1%[5]) Africa 1,882,000 Cameroon[3] Africa 18,549,000 Canada[3] North America 33,531,000 Dominica[3] America 67,000 Fiji[3] Oceania 827,900 The Gambia[3] Africa 1,709,000 Ghana[3] Africa 23,478,000 Grenada[3] America 106,000 Guyana[6] South America 738,000 India (associate status)[5] Asia 1,143,540,000 Ireland[3] Europe 4,517,800 Jamaica[7] North America 2,714,000 Kenya[3] Africa 37,538,000 Kiribati[3] Oceania 95,000 Lesotho[3] Africa 2,008,000 Liberia[3] Africa 3,750,000 Madagascar[3] Africa 19,683,000 Malawi[8] Africa 13,925,000 Malta[3] Europe 412,600 Marshall Islands[3] Oceania 59,000 Mauritius[3] Africa 1,262,000 Micronesia[3] Oceania 111,000 Namibia[3] Africa 2,074,000 Nauru[9] Oceania 10,000 New Zealand14[3] Oceania 4,294,350 Nigeria[10][3] Africa 148,093,000 Pakistan[3] Asia 165,449,000 Palau (9.4%[5]) Oceania 20,000 Papua New Guinea[11][12] Oceania 6,331,000 Philippines[13][3] Asia 90,457,200 Rwanda[3] Africa 9,725,000 Saint Kitts and Nevis[14] America 50,000 Saint Lucia[3] North America 165,000 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[15] America 120,000 Samoa[16] Oceania 188,359 Seychelles[3] Africa 87,000 Sierra Leone[3] Africa 5,866,000 Singapore[17] Asia 4,839,400 Solomon Islands[3] Oceania 506,992 South Africa[18] Africa 47,850,700 Sudan[3] Africa 38,560,000 Swaziland[3] Africa 1,141,000 Tanzania[3] Africa 40,454,000 Tonga[19] Oceania 100,000 Trinidad and Tobago[3] North America 1,333,000 Tuvalu[5] Oceania 11,000 Uganda[3] Africa 30,884,000 United Kingdom[20] Europe 61,612,300 Vanuatu[21] Oceania 226,000 Zambia[3] Africa 11,922,000 Zimbabwe[3] Africa 13,349,000
    [edit] Non-sovereign entities

    Entity Continent Population1 American Samoa11 Oceania 67,000 Anguilla[3] America 13,000 Bermuda9[3] America 65,000 British Virgin Islands[3] America 23,000 Cayman Islands (95%[5]) America 47,000 Christmas Island12[3] Oceania 1,508 Cook Islands[3] Oceania 20,200 Falkland Islands South America 3,000 Gibraltar[3] Europe 29,257 Guam4 Oceania 173,000 Guernsey10 Europe 61,811 Hong Kong2[3] Asia 6,985,200 Isle of Man8 Europe 80,058 Jersey6[3] Europe 89,300 Montserrat[5] America 5,900 Niue Oceania 1,600 Norfolk Island[3] Oceania 1,828 Northern Mariana Islands7 Oceania 84,000 Pitcairn Islands13[3] Oceania 50 Puerto Rico3 America 3,991,000 Saint Helena[5] (includes Tristan da Cunha) Africa 6,600 Tokelau [5] Oceania 1,400 Turks and Caicos Islands[3] America 26,000 U.S. Virgin Islands5



    AND THEN MAKE A LIST OF COUNTRIES WHERE JAPANESE IS A DAILY LANGUAGE:


    JAPAN
    sounds logical but it means shit all to a japanese student who will never leave Japan, and even then, will just take a JTB tour completely in Japanese. Anyways, most of the problem kids will just wait for their automatic graduation from JHS and start a construction job to earn money for their first bike sans muffler

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    It does amaze me here that it seems that a fair percentage of the students don't really have any aspirations. I have had many students say how they want to a nursing home assitant or just work in a video store or this or that.

    Granted, in America, many young adults will tell how they want to be rich and many times that won't come to fruition, but...
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    ali, just out of curiosity, what language do most chechnyanese people speak? russian? do they study english in school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah View Post
    ali, just out of curiosity, what language do most chechnyanese people speak? russian? do they study english in school?
    Chechen and Russian are what most Chechens speak. English is one of the langues they learn in school.

    There are some Chechens now who do not speak Russian very well on account of when they should have been exposed to Russian at preschool or school in general was during the wars, so they never learned it fluently. This has lead to quite a few problems in Chechnya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dombay

    It might sound cold to say this but in the end it's team teaching. Your part of the team is to be positive, happy and talk in English. If they're saying 'wakaran' a lot and being proud of their ignorance just smile and ignore them. Thing is they're NOT proud of their ignorance or at least won't be in a few years. But they're not going to lose huge amounts of face by bursting into tears every time they don't understand. They're instead going to be little turds about it because it's better for their image in front of their friends.
    have you been in a situation where your teachers have told you to discipline the kids better? I've been told this a few times and I've actually hurt my throat (more trying to talk over all the students when the JTE won't help and the students won't respond). I don't want to pull my contract out, but I will say that JTEs often have no clue what an ALT's job is, yet they think they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmongkut View Post
    have you been in a situation where your teachers have told you to discipline the kids better? I've been told this a few times and I've actually hurt my throat (more trying to talk over all the students when the JTE won't help and the students won't respond). I don't want to pull my contract out, but I will say that JTEs often have no clue what an ALT's job is, yet they think they do.
    Exactly this; I don't really team teach at this school and they expect me to be doing most of the work. I think if it doesn't get any better, I'm going to complain to my supervisor.

    I'm not going to do the notebook idea, and instead go with Marrisey's suggestion of making them say it in English.

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    Actually, I do that too. When a student says "Wakaranai" I say "What?"

    And then they say "I don't know."

    At least they use some English.
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    Then that's your problem.

    The kids are taught to think that English is fun time. A lot of them won't take you seriously because of this or because you're a gaijin and therefore not a real teacher.

    Talk to your supervisor about it cos it's not your job and getting stressed about something that you really cannot do anything about in the end is not good.
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    Why is Christmas island on your list but Australia isn't, Ali?

    Australia's one of the biggest countries in the Anglosphere and Christmas Island isn't a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dombay View Post
    Why is Christmas island on your list but Australia isn't, Ali?

    Australia's one of the biggest countries in the Anglosphere and Christmas Island isn't a country.
    I don't know. I was going to make my own list, but I just googled "English speaking countries" instead and that came up.
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    I agree with FK - reward good behaviour, ignore bad (as long as it's not stopping other kids from learning).
    I used to have "bankbooks" and give the kids photocopied 5 dollar notes for attempts to speak in English to "deposit". At some of the worse schools, I had 1 dollar "withdrawal slips" I handed out when Japanese was used during English-only time (which I built up gradually from 5 minutes to 25 minutes per lesson). Kids were in teams of 10 (4 teams per class) and I made it a competition between the teams to see which one could collect the most "money"; with a small prize at the end of each term."
    The kids who kept saying "wakaran" just got ignored - by me and the other kids. It took time, though, so don't try it if you've got no patience left.
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    my supervisor is one of the people who's worst at disciplining his classes, and he told me directly during evaluation after the term that I need to get the kids quieter.

    I let him know that I'm an assistant teacher and need his help sometimes, but he believes what he believes. I think what I said just sounded like an excuse.

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