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    Default How do you say #2

    "I can't be at practice tomorrow so can you practice by yourselves?"

    It's the "by yourselves" that is the tricky part.
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    they said your uk blood has extremely high levels of tea and crumpets in it.
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    俺は明日行けへんやから、自分でやって。。。
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    Ah.. I didn't know that 自分 could mean more than one person. It can apply to the whole team? (sorry, totally didn't set the context)
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    they said your uk blood has extremely high levels of tea and crumpets in it.
    http://osharejunks.blogspot.com/

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    It can, but if you want to be more clear that you want the team themselves to practice on their own, you could put it like

    ... (君たちは) 自分でやってもらえませんか?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJS2qXTDTk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cDju3V_uc
    「そうだ、医者は本来殺し屋なのだ。人間誰しも避けられない死をいかに納得させるか、その手伝いをする職業なのだ」───渡辺淳一、”無影燈”、1974
    nothing sounds quite like an 8-0-8

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    why the hell would you say it so formally though? i mean mine was more of a joke (that still got the point across) but you are talking to students right?
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    man, I hate that students need to use a different language form when talking to me. I'd rather we both use desumasu or both use short form, since I always feel like I'm looking down at the kids as human beings otherwise.

    I've thought of telling students it's okay not to use the stuff, but since they aren't Red, White, and Egalitarian, they'd probably just think I was a weirdo.

    either way, plenty of teachers do use desumasu with students, but I think it has a little bit of a joking/mocking tone. kind of like we could say "Mr. Smith" when talking to a friend named Jack Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mteacher80 View Post
    why the hell would you say it so formally though? i mean mine was more of a joke (that still got the point across) but you are talking to students right?
    well 1) I used もらう not いただく and 2) that was just to get across the 'request' part of the sentence, use もらえねぇか if you want
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJS2qXTDTk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cDju3V_uc
    「そうだ、医者は本来殺し屋なのだ。人間誰しも避けられない死をいかに納得させるか、その手伝いをする職業なのだ」───渡辺淳一、”無影燈”、1974
    nothing sounds quite like an 8-0-8

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    Then how about--

    明日お伺いできませんので、ご自身で練習なさってください。
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    Quote Originally Posted by mteacher80 View Post
    Then how about--

    明日お伺いできませんので、ご自身で練習なさってください。
    Sure, knock yourself out. I was just using request grammar, not trolling.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJS2qXTDTk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cDju3V_uc
    「そうだ、医者は本来殺し屋なのだ。人間誰しも避けられない死をいかに納得させるか、その手伝いをする職業なのだ」───渡辺淳一、”無影燈”、1974
    nothing sounds quite like an 8-0-8

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    Default Re: How do you say #2

    i was not being a jerk either, my first question was really just a question. And my first japanese response was really more of a joke. It is how most PE teachers round these parts would say it though. My japanese is not that good. so i am not going to get in a j-go-off. but i do think my last one would be fun to say to JHS kids, they probably wouldnt understand it.
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    Yeah, I got that the first one was a joke, I just wasn't sure if you thought using てもらう form was inappropriate or something. My nihongo is kindof mid-level anyways, so I thought I might've missed out on some nuance I don't know about. Didn't mean to turn this into a politeness-level thread, my bad.

    Back on topic, I wonder if one could use [自分ら] instead of [(君たちは)自分で]?

    A quick google shows that affixing ら to 自分 seems to be in common use to pluralize it, but since 自分 is a reflexive pronoun and not a personal pronoun like the pluralizers tend to attach to, I think it might be one of those recent linguistic changes that's still not considered 'correct', like using -れる instead of -られる for 一段 verbs, a la 食べれる/食べられる.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJS2qXTDTk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cDju3V_uc
    「そうだ、医者は本来殺し屋なのだ。人間誰しも避けられない死をいかに納得させるか、その手伝いをする職業なのだ」───渡辺淳一、”無影燈”、1974
    nothing sounds quite like an 8-0-8

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    I would use the first reply in a not joking way. I would never even use masu form for students, forget keigo.
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    puma no study reply FTW:

    明日、私はここにいないので、あなたたちは自分で遣って下さい。

    followed by a blank stare

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    Yeah, it looks like that will be fine. That's pretty much what I said too, but afterwards I was worried that 自分 couldn't be used for plurals.. even though there are no plurals in Japanese. Made my head explode a bit
    Quote Originally Posted by tenderRondo View Post
    they said your uk blood has extremely high levels of tea and crumpets in it.
    http://osharejunks.blogspot.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by puma View Post
    遣って下さい。
    just curious, why did you use this kanji for つかう?

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    Default Re: How do you say #2

    it can also be used for yaru

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    Just because the kanji is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.

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    夜露死苦お願いします

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    Default Re: How do you say #2

    Yeah, I don't think I've seen "やる" written in kanji ever... Hell, the IME doesn't even give me an option.

    Many things have kanji that aren't used at all/often... off the top of my head: エビ/海老

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