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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotty View Post
    yee-haw, let the hair-splittin' commence!
    Okey-doke.

    glad you're researching those statistics for me. you do realize you've actually given the math i did in the previous post a better result? in that math, i was assuming that 8% of women had been groped (10% of the population use trains, 80% of them get groped). your figures give a much more damning 13% of women being groped. that leads to a much larger discrepancy between incidents and convictions!
    They're not my figures, and they give a 13% rate of subset of Japanese women - women who commute in three of the most densely-packed urban spaces in Japan.

    BECAUSE THE CRIMES GO UNREPORTED
    SOME of the crimes go unreported. But what's your point here? There's so much batshit craziness going on in this thread that I forget what point you're trying to make.

    denying that the problem exists is as bad as supporting it. you're no better than the faceless commuters who witness the incidents and do nothing about them.
    And it just gets crazier! I haven't denied that a problem exists.

    why are the women's only carriages?
    to stop women getting groped.
    Actually I think it's a bit more complicated than that - it's also to make women feel safer, as a response to a perception that groping is likely to happen.

    nowhere in the above have i indicated that post-new-carriage-introduction normal carriages are an active source of support for the crime, so stop bringing that up please.
    I'm only bringing it up because about the only point I made in this thread before you dived in to puke up multiquoted craziness is that the existence of women-only carriages is not likely to make mixed-sex carriages any more 'chikan-friendly' than before.

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    ok, i'm going to rewrite and number the points that you seem to be disagreeing with me on. you can even reply to them with a simple AGREE or DISAGREE. that should make it less confusing for you!
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    They're not my figures, and they give a 13% rate of subset of Japanese women - women who commute in three of the most densely-packed urban spaces in Japan.
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    MOST offenders don't get punished for groping women on japanese trains.
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    that leads to a much larger discrepancy between incidents and convictions!
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    as i said, no matter what numbers you use, you're going to get the same result.
    1) the discrepancy between the percentage of convictions as compared with the percentage of incidents regarding train groping is large enough to lend support to the statement that 'most offenders don't get punished for groping women on japanese trains'.

    Quote Originally Posted by taurus
    SOME of the crimes go unreported. But what's your point here? There's so much batshit craziness going on in this thread that I forget what point you're trying to make.
    hopefully this makes it easier for you.
    you said:
    Quote Originally Posted by taurus
    The reason that survey exists is because the police were trying to encourage women to report these crimes.
    i said
    Quote Originally Posted by scrotty
    and why were police encouraging women to report the crimes?

    BECAUSE THE CRIMES GO UNREPORTED
    again, you're splitting hairs by saying that SOME crimes go unreported. regardless of the quantifier that you use, whether it's A FEW or SOME or MOST or ALL, the fact is that they're still going unreported.

    2) regardless of what statistics you use for point 1), the result is only going to be skewed even further towards a large discrepancy between convictions and incidents due to the number of unreported incidents.

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    I haven't denied that a problem exists.
    well, you've certainly downplayed its severity, and seemingly to the point of denying it exists. let me show you.
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    I'm just trying to advocate people to stop viewing Japan as this otherworldly pervert's paradise
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    If we're going to stick to anecdotal evidence, not a single one of my Japanese female friends has been groped on public transport.
    Quote Originally Posted by taurus
    a moral panic about an issue that has an underlying substance of truth
    why is it so difficult for you to accept that...

    3) train groping in japan is rampant to the point that it is an expected aspect of public transport and measures have to be taken for its prevention. neither these measures nor these expectations apply in countries where train groping is not as rampant.

    Quote Originally Posted by taurus
    Actually I think it's a bit more complicated than that - it's also to make women feel safer, as a response to a perception that groping is likely to happen.
    hmm, perhaps it's not so difficult. by using the term 'also', are you implying that you accept that women's only carriages were introduced to stop women getting groped?

    4) the perception that groping is likely to happen is more due to groping being likely to happen than due to a 'moral panic'.

    Quote Originally Posted by taurus
    I'm only bringing it up because about the only point I made in this thread before you dived in to puke up multiquoted craziness is that the existence of women-only carriages is not likely to make mixed-sex carriages any more 'chikan-friendly' than before.
    actually, if you check your original comment, it was 'how is a mixed-gender carriage chikan-friendly?', which i believe i've adequately answered, right up to the fugu analogy. afterwards, you seem to have changed the intent of your original question to mean 'how does a mixed-gender carriage encourage groping any more than it was before the introduction of women-only carriages?', to which the answer is they don't and what the fuck is the point of that question.

    5) mixed-gender carriages do not actively encourage groping, but the introduction of women-only carriages also introduces an onus on women to travel in them

    and here's a bonus one for the amusement of onlookers

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    social commentary is racist idiocy
    look all i'm saying is if you go here and you die, it's not my fault

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    You are a crazy racist.

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    So... me and Kal, Word and Rupin (new name).. Scrotty and Taurus.. anyone else care to have an argument on here?
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    I don't know. My basic feelings are that a majority of Japanese men are cowards, both the chikans and the guys who won't do anything about it. Making a women only car is the same kind of bullshit piece meal solution that you find for a lot of stuff in Japan. A lot of women are at fault, not for getting groped, but for not speaking up about it. Basically everyone involved who could be actively stopping the problem is just creating an incredibly advantageous situation for the chikans.
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    if japanese porn has taught be anything its that if you start touching up a high school girl on a crowded train within 5 minutes she'll be on her knees sucking you off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taurus View Post
    You are a crazy racist.
    you ignore all of my questions and call me a racist without explaining why. i guess the only question that begs asking now is this: how do you feel about poor people?
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    Scrotty and Taurus..
    you know, i was wondering about this. see, having a bit of back-and-forth with word on a topic like this wouldn't surprise me. i would be like THIS GIRL SAYS SHE GOT GROPED ON A TRAIN and word would be like SHE WAS PROBABLY SO FAT THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE *NOT* TO GROPE HER and i would be like BUT ITS WOMEN GETTING GROPED ON TRAINS IN JAPAN SEE and word would be like FUCK JAPAN, FAT PEOPLE ARE EVIL and i would be like oh you.

    but with taurus, i'm wondering 'who is this taurus guy? surely i would have noticed such a contrary japan apologist taking it to the pumas and mothys and azraels whenever they spouted one of their JAPAN IS NOTHING BUT RACIST IGNORANT PEDOPHILES rants'. then it hit me...
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    a) of all the underwear you wear on a regular to semi-regular basis, what would you say is the most common color?
    b) if there was a public drive to fund a manned mission to mars, would you donate?
    c) do you derive any sexual pleasure from the oral stimulation of your nipples?
    d) if batman were to fight a dragon with machineguns for arms and that could breathe live grenades instead of fire, who would win? (note: batman has a spear)
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    a) black
    b) no
    c) no
    d) the dragon
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    a) correct
    b) incorrect
    c) trick question, no correct answer
    d) incorrect

    you have failed my test. unfortunately, we cannot be friends.
    taurus hates me because i won't be friends with him. WELL I'M SORRY TAURUS BUT I'M STILL NOT GOING TO BE YOUR FRIEND UNTIL YOU RECOGNIZE THE MARTIAL PROWESS OF BATMAN WITH A SPEAR
    look all i'm saying is if you go here and you die, it's not my fault

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    Batman fucks kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotty View Post
    there sure is!
    d) if batman were to fight a dragon with machineguns for arms and that could breathe live grenades instead of fire, who would win? (note: batman has a spear)
    I think the correct answer is "does Batman have time to prepare?"

    Part of the chikan problem is the Japanese group-think thing, where most Japanese are incapable of taking action without a group behind them. This is the opposite of the west, where people are more likely to take action the fewer people are around. Hence groping on trains being actively ignored.

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    Wait, who is requiring a group to take action? The groper or the bystanders? A crowded train creates the perfect situation for a groper to do what he wants. In fact I suspect that most gropers wouldn't have the balls to outright rape a woman in a dark alley. I suppose the seeming indifference of the other people on the train indirectly encourages them because they think there are no consequences, but I don't think they honestly believe that society is telling them groping is okay, otherwise they'd just do it any old time.

    You would think that one guy noticing a groper and going after him on a train would suddenly rally a majority of the car to his cause. I think in most cases in America and other like-minded countries, if someone was bold enough to grope a woman on a train there'd instantly be five guys on him at the drop of hat. Granted the woman would probably be screaming and knocking the shit out of him herself. But I guess that's it. We're talking about Japan, not America.

    The whole train groping issue is warning light #935 that Japan is going down the tubes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RomulusLupin View Post
    Maybe Gez and Nuts will take out their rage on each other?
    Nah. It's not "there can only be one!!" time yet.

    But after spending the last 30 minutes catching up on this thread, I've decided that the next time I'm on a subway I am going to grab all the cock possible and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixedNuts View Post
    Nah. It's not "there can only be one!!" time yet.

    But after spending the last 30 minutes catching up on this thread, I've decided that the next time I'm on a subway I am going to grab all the cock possible and see what happens.
    I wonder how many female gropers there are. You could probably get away with it.
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    I'm so fat all I have to do it turn around and I grope someone. HEYOO.

    oh... wait..
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    I think this news item is relevant to the discussion. Either it happened, which says a lot about why a) no one reports this shit and b) why no one's punished. Or it didn't happen, which means the fake-claim stuff is definitely present.

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    "I have no memory of this" = it happened, but he was sooo drunk he didn't mean to flash her.

    Given the way Japanese men sit while wearing short shorts, I think a lot of unintentional ball exposure goes on.
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    I think a lot of intentional ball exposure goes on.

    And with the girls too, I lost count of the panty flashes I've seen on trains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antonath View Post
    I think this news item is relevant to the discussion. Either it happened, which says a lot about why a) no one reports this shit and b) why no one's punished. Or it didn't happen, which means the fake-claim stuff is definitely present.

    Damn it Antonath, why did you have to bring a newspaper into this...

    Tokyo man arrested for paying schoolgirls 30,000 yen to pose nude for photos � Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion


    I like the little end bit of info at the end...


    Oh, and a quick one about child abuse..

    3-year-old boy's ankles and wrists bound with rope for 20 hours Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion
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    all this talk has put me in the mood for a little sharking tonight

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    Ironically someone I know posted this on fb today.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/bu...?_r=1&emc=eta1

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    Meanwhile, in a widely available new DVD, a real-life Japanese model poses in a tiny white bikini. She makes popcorn in a maid’s costume. She plays with a beach ball while being hosed down with water.
    The model, Akari Iinuma, is 13 years old.



    WTF!?

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