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    Default Can Municipal JETs be re-contracted for 5 years?

    I read somebody's comment online that they are only hired for up to 3 years, is this true?

    I just got my placement and it's a -shi, though not any on the list with codes, but a smaller city with a population of 100,000. This worried me because my goal was to try to stay up to 5 years, and it seems too bad if it's already been determined by the style of my placement and not my work performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanna93 View Post
    I read somebody's comment online that they are only hired for up to 3 years, is this true?

    I just got my placement and it's a -shi, though not any on the list with codes, but a smaller city with a population of 100,000. This worried me because my goal was to try to stay up to 5 years, and it seems too bad if it's already been determined by the style of my placement and not my work performance.
    You'll have to ask your supervisor/BoE directly when you arrive. Past 3 years it's usually up to the BoE/school to OK the 4th and 5th year from what I know. All ALT contracts run 1 year periods and you sign or reject the next years contract in January/February. Even then, if you separate from the JET program and apply as a direct hire, you might have success if you have a good working relationship with your schools and BoE.

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    Default Re: Can Municipal JETs be re-contracted for 5 years?

    As far as I know, there is no rule that municipal ALTs can only stay 3 years. If there is some vague rule about that, it is frequently broken. I have known many "-shi" ALTs who have stayed 5 years.

    It is 100% possible and it happens. That doesn't necessarily mean you will be able to do it, though. Anything can happen.
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    There is in our prefecture. Municipal ALTs get moved to a high school if they want to stay more than 3 years.

    Also if you're not here yet then you have no idea how long you will want to stay. You might hate everything about it after 6 months in. Don't worry about it until the actual decision is coming up.

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    Ya, totally depends on the school board. The one in my city has a 3 year policy from back when JET was 3 year term limited. The board south of me does not have that limit at all.

    I've seen plenty of ALTs around here say for year 4 by applying for a transfer. With the new transfer policies, they'll generally just push you upto SHS before tossing you to another prefecture (like they did in the past). That being said, performance review does become a small issue in year 4 so if you've been lazy or uncooperative in some way, or had a bad image for whatever reason, they might just flat out reject the transfer request.
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    In my town (techincally a -shi, but a very small spread out on due to several places merging a few years back), the 3 year rule is definitely in effect. Someone I'd consider an amazing ALT who gives their heart and soul to their kids (and gets amazing results) is leaving this year because this is their 3rd year. Their VP and JTEs tried to appeal the decision, but were rejected. I ditto what Jiggit said - you don't know if you'll like Japan, your placement, the work etc. There are too many variables to factor in to make such a sweeping statement now.
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    Default Re: Can Municipal JETs be re-contracted for 5 years?

    I just meant that there is no national rule that ALTs can't be in the program for five years. Cleary, ALTs can be in the program for five years.
    I personally know ALTs who have stayed in the same JHS/ES placement for four and five years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BifCarbet View Post
    I just meant that there is no national rule that ALTs can't be in the program for five years. Cleary, ALTs can be in the program for five years.
    I personally know ALTs who have stayed in the same JHS/ES placement for four and five years.
    Right, but whether they can or not depends entirely on the rules for your placement, not on the national rules, so it's not really relevent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanna93 View Post
    it seems too bad if it's already been determined by the style of my placement and not my work performance.
    So I said it is not determined automatically by the style of placement (being a municipal ALT)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggit View Post
    Right, but whether they can or not depends entirely on the rules for your placement, not on the national rules, so it's not really relevent.
    Of course. So none of the information any of us can give is relevant, except national rules, unless we are familiar with OP's CO.
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    I'm in a city, and we can stay up to 5 years. We can stay as ES/JHS ALTs the whole time. But my city also has high school ALTs too.

    But obviously, after 3 years, it's up to the decision of the BOE if they want to keep you or not. After 3 years, it's much harder to stay on as an ALT if you aren't exceptional at your job. You get yearly reviews, and it's from these reviews that will determine if you get to stay or not. You might think you're doing a great job, but your schools may not. It's kind of arbitrary because what if the kyoutou-sensei (vice principal) just doesn't like you or your teachers don't. Sometimes I also feel that ALTs aren't given the opportunity to go up and beyond because many times, you aren't given clear instructions on what you can or cannot do at your schools.

    If they said simple sentences like: "You can go play with the kids if you'd like." Or
    "You can join the clubs after school if you want."
    Then an ALTs job would be a bit easier.

    Even in the case of you not being able to stay 5 years, if they let you know in your 3rd year around September or October, you can transfer to a different placement in Japan. It's not always guaranteed, but I know a lot of people are able to transfer if they can't re-appoint due to reasons not their or their BOE's fault. This could be money issues, rules set by the BOE that don't necessarily follow the JET Program rules, etc.

    You're going to want to find out once you're in Japan what's the actual case. I prefer a "shi" (city) placement than a "fu" (prefecture) placement because I love working at elementary and junior high schools! I don't think I'd be able to handle high school students. These ALTs need to have extremely strong personalities and high levels of teaching ability for sure. And also expect to work after hours too everyday.
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    And also expect to work after hours too everyday.
    This is synonymous to teaching, I'm afraid!

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    Following up on richief's post - PRs are typically pretty non-committal too.  And getting most Japanese people to give their honest opinions without copious amounts of liquor is an artform. Mostly part of that 'avoid confrontation at all costs...'

    Although as long as you're upfront about your status as a teacher-but-not-a-teacher you might be fine ducking out of club activities.

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    Default Re: Can Municipal JETs be re-contracted for 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggit View Post
    There is in our prefecture. Municipal ALTs get moved to a high school if they want to stay more than 3 years.

    Also if you're not here yet then you have no idea how long you will want to stay. You might hate everything about it after 6 months in. Don't worry about it until the actual decision is coming up.
    It's the complete opposite in my prefecture.
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    5 years is the maximum for any hakken contract. JET ALTs are on hakken, (temporary employees). According to Japanese law, you cannot work on a hakken contract for longer than 5 years without being converted to seisyaiin (permanent employee). That's why, even if you are an amazing employee, your BOE or whomever cannot continue your employment without making you permanent. They really, really do not want to make you permanent because of unionization, etc.

    FYI, private companies and agencies that put ALTs in BOEs can skirt this law by employing their staff as gyomu-itaku. Sometimes these companies do place ALTs in hakken contracts, and they just shift them out of the school after 5 years to another hakken at some other school. This is almost never an issue because there is so much turnover with ALT work. That said, more and more JETs are staying to 5 years and getting shut down. Sometimes they think that if they are really, really good ALTs and kiss a lot of ass that they can stay with the BOE, in the program. But they get shafted every time. This is equally true for CIRs that want to stay longer than 5 years.



    Quote Originally Posted by hanna93 View Post
    I read somebody's comment online that they are only hired for up to 3 years, is this true?

    I just got my placement and it's a -shi, though not any on the list with codes, but a smaller city with a population of 100,000. This worried me because my goal was to try to stay up to 5 years, and it seems too bad if it's already been determined by the style of my placement and not my work performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coheeshosho View Post
    5 years is the maximum for any hakken contract. JET ALTs are on hakken, (temporary employees). According to Japanese law, you cannot work on a hakken contract for longer than 5 years without being converted to seisyaiin (permanent employee). That's why, even if you are an amazing employee, your BOE or whomever cannot continue your employment without making you permanent. They really, really do not want to make you permanent because of unionization, etc.

    FYI, private companies and agencies that put ALTs in BOEs can skirt this law by employing their staff as gyomu-itaku. Sometimes these companies do place ALTs in hakken contracts, and they just shift them out of the school after 5 years to another hakken at some other school. This is almost never an issue because there is so much turnover with ALT work. That said, more and more JETs are staying to 5 years and getting shut down. Sometimes they think that if they are really, really good ALTs and kiss a lot of ass that they can stay with the BOE, in the program. But they get shafted every time. This is equally true for CIRs that want to stay longer than 5 years.
    To be fair, the only ones that work closely enough with ALTs to realize that they're awesome and/or worth keeping usually get no say in the matter.
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    We actually have a 6th year JET ALT in our prefecture. This is probably so rare, it would be a simple task to figure out my BOE.
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    Default Re: Can Municipal JETs be re-contracted for 5 years?

    Six years in one stint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    We actually have a 6th year JET ALT in our prefecture. This is probably so rare, it would be a simple task to figure out my BOE.
    After six years they aren't JETs, unless something major has changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uthinkimlost? View Post
    After six years they aren't JETs, unless something major has changed.
    You're probably right. They're probably a direct hire by the BOE. It was a highly unusual announcement, and I'm not sure what the situation was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
    You're probably right. They're probably a direct hire by the BOE. It was a highly unusual announcement, and I'm not sure what the situation was.
    If you hear more, I'm sure a lot of us are interested.
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