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    How many CIRs are sent from each consulate each year?

    Is it possible for a CIR to be NNS N2-level without having ever studied the language in Japan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eibig View Post
    Is it possible for a CIR to be NNS N2-level without having ever studied the language in Japan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eibig View Post
    How many CIRs are sent from each consulate each year?

    Is it possible for a CIR to be NNS N2-level without having ever studied the language in Japan?
    What is your current Japanese level?

    I got C2 level in Spanish (which is actually one level higher than N1, according to Common European Framework of Reference for Languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and got close to 90% on the C2 exam without having lived in Spain by watching Spanish news, movies, interviews, documentaries, reading the newspaper and Spanish/Latin American literature more or less every single day. I went from about a B2 to C2 in under a year. I'm not bragging here, I'm just making the point that I worked my socks off and it paid dividends. However, to reach the same level in Japanese (for an English native speaker) takes a lot lot longer. According to the FSI (Wikibooks:Language Learning Difficulty for English Speakers - Wikibooks, open books for an open world) Spanish should take 600 class hours whereas Japanese is a whopping 2,200 class hours. Here it states that about half that time is preferably spent studying in-country. So, in a nutshell, the FSI, at least, would say no to your question.

    Of course, it's worth pointing out that everyone is different and not everyone learns at the same pace, so this could probably be viewed as a kind of average. Also, it's worth stating that N1 is like C1, not C2 so by that implication to reach N1 should take fewer than 2,200 hours.
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    elmaldito: Weak N3/B1.

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    elmaldito: Weak N3/B1.
    So, what is it you are aiming for? Going from a weak N3 to N2 for the upcoming application procedure? The interviews would be in January/February 2017, so it would probably not give you much time honestly. But, as mentioned why not apply (and as recommended ticking the ALT box), study hard and hope for the best!

    Doing a quick google here are the responsibilities of a CIR

    international exchange programmes, primary and secondary school visits, language classes, cooking classes, cultural lectures, as well as translating and interpreting


    Would you be comfortable doing any of that?

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    N3 is probably fine, just make sure you tick that 'also consider ALT' box.

    I interviewed as a CIR and the passage I had to read and answer questions on was quite easy. I was probably N3 at best at the time yet I coped with it easily. Also, the questions they asked weren't difficult to understand but I think I had trouble articulating myself when answering as my Japanese was gash and my answers were brief. Hence I wasn't selected as a CIR and was put in an ALT role.

    On the other hand there was a CIR in the neighboring city to me when I was on JET and she seemingly couldn't speak a lick of Japanese. For example, couldn't read menus, order properly etc. and a guy I met on pre-departure orientation attended the "advanced" Japanese mini-lesson and couldn't even change verbs into plain form (maybe nervous). However, he gave no other indication of being remotely competent. Anyways, I think the "benchmark" of N2 is bullshit and if you have N3 Japanese there is a chance you can get in as a CIR.
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    I would prefer CIR though, and if I don't get it I want to try again for 2018. The JET website makes me think that if I were offered an ALT position and turned it down, then I would have to wait to apply for 2019.

    I'm willing to bet that those people you spoke with had little to no experience actually using day to day Japanese in a completely immersive environment, so they took some time to pull it out of the attic and get used to using it. I had the same problem when I first went to live in Latin America, even though I had been reading the news and college-level scientific papers in Spanish daily.

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    Right. I hear that that goes both ways though, and if your consulate/embassy doesn't have any openings, then you'll be going through the application process for nothing. I guess that an opening would be more likely at an embassy rather than a consulate?

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    I would love to do those things, and I already have experience doing a lot of that in Spanish and English.

    A jump from weak N3 to N2 is my goal, not a very realistic one, but at least I'll get experience with the application process. I'm going to take a class with a native-speaking teacher this quarter so hopefully that will help a lot.
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    I imagine few enough people apply for CIR that a little bit of luck based on number of openings comes into play.

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    I would prefer CIR though, and if I don't get it I want to try again for 2018. The JET website makes me think that if I were offered an ALT position and turned it down, then I would have to wait to apply for 2019.
    I think that only applies if you pull out after you have been given your placement. Could be wrong though.
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    N2 is fine! As for the numbers from each consulate, it's a bit of a gamble but somewhere around 10% or less of how many ALTs they send is a fairly good ballpark estimate I think (i.e. if they send 20 ALTs, you could expect around 1-2 CIRs) although it's not concrete and you'll want to be conservative.
    Start here: The JET Programme--Official Homepage of The Japan Exchange and Teaching Programme to look at individual figures for your country which will give you a clearer idea of overall numbers. Larger states, as a whole, usually pump out bigger numbers but you also have to factor in the number of people leaving which is very hard to judge. Yes, those 25 5th years are going to leave but beyond that it's anyone's guess really. Also take into account the COs that are increasing the number of CIR positions (double in some instances) as well as the prefectures who are slashing CIR positions like they're going out of style. Saying you are willing to be an ALT shows flexibility and do be aware that some prefectures do offer ALT → CIR upgrades for the right candidate.
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    Looks like a lot of CIRs come from my country, which is good news.

    I'm not sure that I want to pray for an ALT->CIR change while already there, it seems really risky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eibig View Post
    Looks like a lot of CIRs come from my country, which is good news.

    I'm not sure that I want to pray for an ALT->CIR change while already there, it seems really risky.
    They're pretty rare (happens a lot in Hokkaido, though). Though if you're not interested in ALT work at all, be forewarned that some CIR jobs are basically glorified ALTs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isola View Post
    They're pretty rare (happens a lot in Hokkaido, though). Though if you're not interested in ALT work at all, be forewarned that some CIR jobs are basically glorified ALTs...
    Yeah, I mean if you look at what I wrote earlier regarding a CIR's duties:

    international exchange programmes, primary and secondary school visits, language classes, cooking classes, cultural lectures, as well as translating and interpreting
    The ones highlighted above sound quite ALT-ish! And btw, how's your cooking? LOL. Oh, Eibig-san please cook us American hamburger! But, actually the cooking class could simply be teaching English again on a more specialised level. Maybe you want to be clear you want to be a CIR before getting on it and realising it's like an ALT with a few add-ons! However, I wonder if there are many people on here who have been a CIR to give us a run down of what they did and how much teaching they did etc. As we all know, ESID, but who knows it could be mainly teaching and translating the odd document here and there and that's not what you are signing up for. But, as I have never done CIR it would be good to hear from people who have first-hand experience at it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmaldito View Post
    I wonder if there are many people on here who have been a CIR to give us a run down of what they did and how much teaching they did etc.
    Current CIR. Never teach. Basically a desk job with occasional events, guest reception, interpretation, etc.
    Almost all CIRs I've met are in public offices, though some do teach. Not sure about how to try to avoid that, but the odds seem to be low, based on conversations with peers.
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    I think that only applies if you pull out after you have been given your placement. Could be wrong though.
    That's right.

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    N2 is fine.
    The test portion of my interview was absurdly short and easy. They may go more in depth if you can't provide a passing certificate of N2 or N1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isola View Post
    They're pretty rare (happens a lot in Hokkaido, though). Though if you're not interested in ALT work at all, be forewarned that some CIR jobs are basically glorified ALTs...
    Yeah for some prefectures it's a given but probably not worth the overall risk. But yeah, what are you gunna do OP if you get given Kochi (notorious for hiring CIRs to be ALTs) for example?
    Think of this way: if it came down to you and one other person and you said you weren't flexible and they said they were, who do you think is going to get the job?
    End of the day all CIRs will teach in some capacity so I wouldn't be too violently opposed to the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodInStrafeMode View Post
    Yeah for some prefectures it's a given but probably not worth the overall risk. But yeah, what are you gunna do OP if you get given Kochi (notorious for hiring CIRs to be ALTs) for example?
    Deal with it, since I wouldn't know what the position entails until I get there.
    Think of this way: if it came down to you and one other person and you said you weren't flexible and they said they were, who do you think is going to get the job?
    Probably the other person. I'd rather come off as inflexible than have to wait two years to reapply.
    End of the day all CIRs will teach in some capacity so I wouldn't be too violently opposed to the idea.
    I am not against teaching at all, I just want to do something that is more likely to be related to what I want to do in the future.
    Last edited by Eibig; August 23rd, 2016 at 23:11.

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    Out of the 2 CIRs in my locality one did a mix of desky, touristy and schmoozing stuff, while the other did literally fuck all. Either of those seemed decent enough options.

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    Deal with it, since I wouldn't know what the position entails until I get there.

    Probably the other person. I'd rather come off as inflexible than have to wait two years to reapply.

    I am not against teaching at all, I just want to do something that is more likely to be related to what I want to do in the future.
    If your attitude in real life is anything like it is when a former JET gives you fairly realistic advice, you won't have to worry about being offered either position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcharisma View Post
    If your attitude in real life is anything like it is when a former JET gives you fairly realistic advice, you won't have to worry about being offered either position.
    Are you referring to something I said?

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