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Thread: The JET alternative Shoot Out!

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    So you didn't get in... or you didn't even get to apply like me, but you're not about to wait for a year, or give up on going to Japan. There's a lot of companies out there that can get you there, but who do you choose?
    I applied for a bunch, and presently I've gotten an offer from GEOS, and Interac's reply is due before the deadline for accepting GEOS. So I have a choice between the two of them.
    I figure a lot of people are in this same situation, so I'd like to hear your thoughts.
    I'm a bit torn, because I feel there are advantages and disadvantages of each.
    GEOS has lower startup costs, cheaper rent, smaller class sizes, and I actually get to teach.
    Interac hires you to be an ALT, so I get to work "normal people" hours, instead of 12-9pm. Also, I get to interact with regular students, not the ones that already want to learn english. Also, it's a lot less work, which appeals to the lazyass within.
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    I'm actually really interested in a good breakdown of differences between these different eikaiwa places.

    If somebody here doesn't wanna do it...you got a link to a resource that does?

    Thanks

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    How could we possibly compare them, the only way to do that would be to go work for more than one of them and then you have to take into account individual preferences.

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    I've seen people on this site say "X company has shittier pay, Y company has better holidays" etc. etc. Just curious if there's a resource out there that breaks them all down for you.

    That is all.

    I guess I chose the wrong wording in my post: "if somebody doesn't wanna do it," but I'm really not asking for one man's account on actually working for all of the big four...perhaps whatever information they have on the differences that DO exist

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    If you wanna know their pay and other issues, check out their websites, gaijinpot, and Dave's ESL Cafe.

    I do know that NOVA is in some trouble right now though.

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    All the companies are a good way to get to Japan. None of them are going to be hugely different. In my experience if your japanese is shit you will get much worse of a job. Its pretty hard to get a good job sitting on your arse in america or where ever. Take one of the companies get over here and bend your back and will make ok money.

    I know of people who are making great money outside jet. However they are pretty switched on and their japanese is pretty good. To be fair im not sure you have either skill.

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    I know a woman who came on NOVA and then after a few years moved to a nearby city and opened a bar/English school. She basically teaches lessons above the bar and has the widest selection of Western drinks this side of the Seto Ohashi. A lot of foriegners therefore regularly hang out there, which in turn attracts more students to her school above the bar.

    But yeah, she has decent Japanese and works hard at this point.

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    To be honest, I doubt they're all the same, or even all similar for that matter. Infact, the three that I applied for are dramatically different from one another. I've already listed the differences between GEOS and Interac. There's significant similarity between GEOS and NOVA, in that they're both eikawas, they both have you working from 12-9, and both pay 250K and have similar benefits. The differences are that GEOS actually selects from the people that apply, where as NOVA will take anything, and in GEOS you have your own students that you see on a regular basis, versus just teaching whoever comes in.
    I don't think anyone was asking how to make the most money out of Japan, because atleast I'd like to think that it's not what we're going there for. It was supposed to be for the experience, taking in a new culture, having an adventure, etc.. no?
    Either way, I guess I expected too much of the internet yet again, I'll return to using it for the only things it's good for: porn and getting a lot of spam in my email.
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    I remember looking into these places, but it was a few years ago. Also, it was based entirely on internet research, though i was quite thorough.

    Here's my conclusions, in order of preference:

    1. ECC - Smaller than the others, and they seemed a bit more teacher-friendly. They scheduled paid lesson preparation time, and listed reasonable hours. You also had some freedom in adjusting your lessons.

    2. Aeon - Seemed similar to ECC, but not such good hours.

    3. Geos - Slightly better than NOVA, but lots of pressure to sell company textbooks. Talked to some Geos workers since, and they say "its a good job if you like being a salesman".

    4. NOVA - Saw lots of bad stuff on the interent. Tough working hours, dodgy employment practices. Talked to a number of NOVA workers here, and they say that its not all bad. Lots depends on who your manager is.

    Interac - Not really comparable to the others, since its an ALT position. I didnt do any research about them.

    Other schools - By far the best option. Japanese helps but not required. Use one of the big 4 (5 if u include Berlitz) to get here and get your visa etc. Then go shopping around: ask around the local gaijin community.. check japan websites for jobs that only hire from within japan. Be proactive and you can likely find a much better position.

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    To be honest, I'm too afraid to do something like that. Isn't it illegal to ditch your sponsor company and work for someone else? Also, a lot of them setup your appartment and stuff, so don't they kick you out if you leave? It seems like a good option after my contract has expired, but I just don't think I have the balls to ditch my main support mechanism and go job hunting on my own.
    But thanks for the info on the companies though. I just got the offer of employment from Interac today, so I guess I have a choice to make.. and soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamis
    I remember looking into these places, but it was a few years ago. Also, it was based entirely on internet research, though i was quite thorough.

    Here's my conclusions, in order of preference:

    1. ECC - Smaller than the others, and they seemed a bit more teacher-friendly. They scheduled paid lesson preparation time, and listed reasonable hours. You also had some freedom in adjusting your lessons.

    2. Aeon - Seemed similar to ECC, but not such good hours.

    3. Geos - Slightly better than NOVA, but lots of pressure to sell company textbooks. Talked to some Geos workers since, and they say "its a good job if you like being a salesman".

    4. NOVA - Saw lots of bad stuff on the interent. Tough working hours, dodgy employment practices. Talked to a number of NOVA workers here, and they say that its not all bad. Lots depends on who your manager is.

    Interac - Not really comparable to the others, since its an ALT position. I didnt do any research about them.

    Other schools - By far the best option. Japanese helps but not required. Use one of the big 4 (5 if u include Berlitz) to get here and get your visa etc. Then go shopping around: ask around the local gaijin community.. check japan websites for jobs that only hire from within japan. Be proactive and you can likely find a much better position.

    Matt
    I work for one of these companies, which will remain unnamed because they don’t know I am re-applying for JET. I would say this is about right, the best way to find a job is to actually be in Japan.

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    Okay, what about working at an eikawa vs. working as an ALT? Would you say it's more rewarding to work in a public school as an ALT? Or is it too much hassles?
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    I think you are a little naive my friend.

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    I think that I've received barely any productive feedback. I'm seriously not going to bother anymore. I ask a question, and I receive a mixture of philosophical comments and "you should just quit and find another one". If there is a moderator, they might as well lock this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarian
    I think that I've received barely any productive feedback. I'm seriously not going to bother anymore. I ask a question, and I receive a mixture of philosophical comments and "you should just quit and find another one". If there is a moderator, they might as well lock this thread.
    I would PM swithie, but he is probably at work right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarian
    I think that I've received barely any productive feedback. I'm seriously not going to bother anymore. I ask a question, and I receive a mixture of philosophical comments and "you should just quit and find another one". If there is a moderator, they might as well lock this thread.
    not to cut you down at all, but the reason you may not be gettng loads of info on this from all of us right now, is because over the past few years there have been many threads on this topic....it is just getting a bit old....many of us have never worked for an Eikaiwa and only have second hand accounts...of course those could be helpfull, but i think just searching and researching on your own will bring you all the info you need...

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    What the fuck do you call this!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamis
    I remember looking into these places, but it was a few years ago. Also, it was based entirely on internet research, though i was quite thorough.

    Here's my conclusions, in order of preference:

    1. ECC - Smaller than the others, and they seemed a bit more teacher-friendly. They scheduled paid lesson preparation time, and listed reasonable hours. You also had some freedom in adjusting your lessons.

    2. Aeon - Seemed similar to ECC, but not such good hours.

    3. Geos - Slightly better than NOVA, but lots of pressure to sell company textbooks. Talked to some Geos workers since, and they say "its a good job if you like being a salesman".

    4. NOVA - Saw lots of bad stuff on the interent. Tough working hours, dodgy employment practices. Talked to a number of NOVA workers here, and they say that its not all bad. Lots depends on who your manager is.

    Interac - Not really comparable to the others, since its an ALT position. I didnt do any research about them.

    Other schools - By far the best option. Japanese helps but not required. Use one of the big 4 (5 if u include Berlitz) to get here and get your visa etc. Then go shopping around: ask around the local gaijin community.. check japan websites for jobs that only hire from within japan. Be proactive and you can likely find a much better position.

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    Agreed Dob, but that comment that he got from Wattie was pretty arsey so i can see why he's a tad pissed.

    Try this question on BD. You'll have to wade through a lot of shit but a lot of people there work in eikawas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarian
    Okay, what about working at an eikawa vs. working as an ALT? Would you say it's more rewarding to work in a public school as an ALT? Or is it too much hassles?
    I don't have time to go into details now, but there are some good things about working at an Eikaiwa. The students I teach I am willing to bet are more interested in learning than those you would teach at a public school. Plus I am just a short train ride from downtown Tokyo.

    But on the flip side it doesn't pay as well and I have to work nights. Two of the many reasons I am hoping to switch to JET.

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    I love working nights and hate dragging my aching carcass out of bed every morning- they only thing I would not do is work weekends- ever.

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