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    Wow, so I had 2 interviews w/ this company and I am seriously not impressed. They sent me a letter saying they didn't have any positions for me at this time.. WTF?.

    I still need to call them to make sure (the 2nd interview went very well), but I'm pretty sure the reason was because I didn't want to go on a work holiday visa and have them change me over to a regular visa as I was in Japan. It was really weird when they asked me about this too.. I dunno if they expected me to treat them like a charity case, but I was really awkward what they were asking me to do.. They were like: you need to get a doctors note, $2500 in travelers cheques (I assume I have to cover the fee), a return ticket (which they promised their flight agent would refund, and I would need to cover), and the kicker was the I could only get the work holiday visa once..

    I thought Aeon was supposed to be one of the more reputable companies.. I'm not 100% sure, but it is possible that what they asked me is illegal..?? From what I recall reading on the Japaneses embassy website, the work holiday visa is not intended for going over with intention to work a regular job. Anyways, I thought I would post this so people can be aware and know they might ask this when going into an interview..

    I'm also debating whether or not to call the Japanese and Canadian embassy and file a complaint regarding what they solicited me to do.. I guess I kinda want to stick it to them since I wasted 2 days and gas to get there when they had no intention of hiring me on a regular work visa.. Maybe people can confirm if what they did is in fact illegal or if it is permissible by the Japanese government.

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    That sucks dude. I guess it shows how shit Nova is if they`re one of the `good` ones. When I was looking into backups for JET, ECC seemed to have the best working conditions of all the language schools anyway IMHO...
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    I think it's legal, though I'm not sure. But it is a crappy deal. They should just sponsor you, as they have to do that anyways. Having the instructor's visa also give you more flexibility in Japan if you decide to look for another job.

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    Perfectly legal for you to be on a working holiday visa during a trial or training period - were you going to be doing that?
    After that they need to give you a working visa; but I guess it helps them out by not haveing people skip out as soon as they hit Japanese shores.
    Also, the working visa will most likely be a "specialist in humanities" visa rather than an "instructor's" visa. JET is a bit different in that we get the latter. They're harder to get and normally mean you are working in a government school.
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    While it does suck they wanted you to initially come over on a visitor's visa, I can sort of understand their reasoning, especially if they pay for your flight (which I'm not sure if they do or don't). If I understand things correctly, once you get a working visa in Japan, you don't have to necessarily work for that company. They probably want to avoid going through all the trouble of arranging your visa paperwork only to have you skip town and leave them out in the cold once you get here. People have done that in the past and they probably don't want to get burned again.

    The Japanese tend to be very conscious of not wanting to have repeat occurrences of problems they've had with foreigners. For example, in the neighboring town there use to be a female Australian ALT. She went home over Christmas of her first year and never came back. As a result, that town will no longer hire female Australian ALTs and only take non-Australian males. AEON has probably been burned a few times on people getting visas and bailing on them so they are naturally wary.

    It could be worse though...in Korea, the company that hires you owns the rights to your visa. If the place is horrible to work for and you want to switch to another company or hagwon, you have to get written permission from your employer to change over the visa. If you don't get that, you've gotta stay exactly where you are or leave the country.

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    Wow, that's shocking they can get away with it, and kinda sad people would actually accept a job with those conditions (the way they presented it). FYI They were not planning on paying me for my flight (but they assured me that their agent would refund the return portion of the flight ticket.. lol).

    Anyways, it's kinda paranoid on AEONs' part if your theory is correct.. I would find it hard to believe that their possible recruits would be willing to take on such financial burden to work for them with their non Canadian interview tactics.

    To be honest, it would have made more sense if they needed someone sooner than later (they said the holiday VISA would be issued quicker, yet they didn't hint to their desperation in the interview..). Considering one of the interviewer was a Canadian, she should know how to interview properly, if they said they want me to leave ASAP, and that was the only way - I would have considered it and likely said ok (especially if they paid for my flight)..

    The weird thing is that my brother got hired at Nova and they are getting him a regular work Visa.

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    Tell your brother not to accept the job with Nova. Latest news is that they are going bankrupt fast and when redundancies start happening it will be last in first to go.
    For those who've been working with Nova for a while and paying into the pension fund, unemployment insurance payments will be available. But for newish employees, nada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wicket
    Tell your brother not to accept the job with Nova. Latest news is that they are going bankrupt fast and when redundancies start happening it will be last in first to go.
    For those who've been working with Nova for a while and paying into the pension fund, unemployment insurance payments will be available. But for newish employees, nada.
    Really!? That is totally F'ed up.. Why the hell are they hiring people, and how is it they can still sponsor for work VISA's? He's waiting back from ECC, so maybe they are going to hire him too. To be honest with the more contact I have with these Japanese companies, the more they sound like shit..

    I'm applying for JET again this year since I will be in Canada during the interviews, but I don't know if they will offer me an interview this year since I didn't go last year when they offered me an interview..

    Oh well, guess I need to get a real job in the meantime.. lol

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    His visa wouldn't be tied to NOVA, so as long as he's got enough money in the bank to get home then he'd be ok - he could look for another job (along with all the other NOVA people), or go home- when NOVA goes bust.

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    I dunno, NOVA isnt just any old company. If they go under 7000 foriengers are going to be unemployed. I wouldnt be surprised if this pissed the government off enough to start chucking them out the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeCarter
    I dunno, NOVA isnt just any old company. If they go under 7000 foriengers are going to be unemployed. I wouldnt be surprised if this pissed the government off enough to start chucking them out the country.
    He could try aggressive pan handling or trying to start a squidgy kid epidemic; maybe he could try to abuse their welfare system, eventually pissing them off enough for him to get a free plane ride home.. lol

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    The big eikaiwais arnt as bad as a lot of people make out. If you view them as a way to get a visa and get over here for other interview's i think they are a good source of employment. This isnt a secret and this is why very few will pay for your airfare.

    A lot of the mid market jobs which new people could get (the good ones you dont have a chance) you need to be in the country to interview for. So once you get here, you can work for nova and spend your time trying to find a better gig.

    I would prefer to come over here and work for one of them, rather than waiting around for another year if you miss out on JET. Eikaiwa people can make just as much as Jet's if they do a few sly privates.


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    I don't think they'd have to chuck them out the country to start of with ini - I guess ex-NOVA employees will try their luck getting another job, and when it doesn't happen leave of their own accord.

    Those that don't will eventually have their visa's run out - then the government will start chucking them out...

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