Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Teachign Pronuncication

  1. #1
    Али Димаев AliDimayev's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    We all have a reponsibility to continue jihad.
    Posts
    16,604

    Default Teachign Pronuncication

    does anyone know a good website that shows how to teach the english sounds that Japanese have difficulty with??? LIke ones that show where the tongue goes and such... Tanks!
    <a href=http://www.ithinkimlost.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=3134&dateline=1245615339 target=_blank>http://www.ithinkimlost.com/image.ph...ine=1245615339</a>
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyakuman View Post
    As usual, you all (Aliを除く) have your heads up your asses.

  2. #2
    Senior Member ampersand's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    The august land of 10,000 islands.
    Posts
    565

    Default

    http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/phonetics/#

    However, I find stuff like this isn't all that useful for teaching people how to make the sounds. Knowing that in order to make the 'ng' sound you obstruct your oral cavity by pressing your soft palate with the rear portion of your tongue doesn't do much to increase your ability to do so. Instructions based one what the student can already do are much more effective. Something like "Prepare your mouth to say 'g', then say 'n' while holding that position," will probably get you quicker results.

    Now, if you don't already know what's going on in your own mouth when you make certain sounds, something like the link I gave is good to find out.

    Getting my students to make reasonably approximations of English phonemes isn't too difficult usually. It's just a matter of constantly riding them to do so, rather than slipping back into using Japanese ones, so that it becomes habitual. There's also a matter of muscle development that needs to take place. Different languages use different muscles in different ways. I did dedicated phonics and pronunciation lessons with my first-years for the first month of the school year this year, and several of them mentioned that their faces got tired. It's paid off quite well, though.
    Last edited by ampersand; November 12th, 2008 at 21:34.

  3. #3

    Default Re: Teachign Pronuncication

    Just think about how you make the sound yourself. Perhaps consider just inverting how you learned to make Japanese phonemes.

    For example: how did you learn to do らりるれろ? Probably by trying to combine the lip/mouth movement of "R" with the tongue movement of "L". So to teach L, just have them watch your mouth stay perfectly still (you can exaggerate) while your tongue does the movement. Oddly, although らりるれろ sounds more like R than L to most people, I find that teaching R can be a bit harder. You have to teach them to stop using the tongue. And I'm still unsure of where the tongue goes on R: it feels like it's just hanging out somewhere other than touching the roof of the mouth.

    In the same way, you probably learned ふ as a combination of F and H. When you say "F", you touch your teeth to the lower lip a bit. ふ seems more or less like H, except that you kind of blow over your lip to give it an F-like sound.

    To say "th", put your tongue beneath your top teeth. To say "V", bite your lower lip and let it roll off.

    These kinds of simple directions are, I think, the way to go. They can be easily illustrated using yourself as an example, combined with simple diagrams on the blackboard and maybe your hands.

  4. #4

    Default Re: Teachign Pronuncication

    Oh GOSH I have had endless recitation practice with my 1st years. For those hard sounds like -v, -th, -r, etc... I always hold the sound and have them watch what I do with my mouth. Then I have them repeat the sound as a class and go to them individually to check while demonstrating the sound again. They always get it exactly right when they copy me slowly! With -th, the room sounded like it was full of bugs and for -r I tell them to ERRRR like they're angry (and maybe have them bite they're tongue while they practice -r so they don't use it).

  5. #5

    Default Re: Teachign Pronuncication

    Biting their tongues? Interesting idea! I'm not sure I quite understand, though. To prevent them doing the らりるれろ tongue-touch, they'd have to be biting like the tips of their tongues, right?

  6. #6

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Wakatta View Post
    Biting their tongues? Interesting idea! I'm not sure I quite understand, though. To prevent them doing the らりるれろ tongue-touch, they'd have to be biting like the tips of their tongues, right?
    Yeah, bite the tip.

  7. #7
    Senior Member ampersand's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    The august land of 10,000 islands.
    Posts
    565

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JackAttack View Post
    for -r I tell them to ERRRR like they're angry (and maybe have them bite they're tongue while they practice -r so they don't use it).
    How on earth does this work? Making an r sound requires pulling your tongue away from the front of your mouth.

  8. #8

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ampersand View Post
    How on earth does this work? Making an r sound requires pulling your tongue away from the front of your mouth.
    It comes out kinda awkward and doesn't always work, but I used it to practice the -re sound of "really". Mostly to get that errrrr sound. I don't know, try biting your tongue and make an -r sound.

  9. #9
    Senior Member ampersand's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    The august land of 10,000 islands.
    Posts
    565

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JackAttack View Post
    I don't know, try biting your tongue and make an -r sound.
    I have. I sound like a retarded cow, if anything. There's nothing r-like about it.

  10. #10

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ampersand View Post
    I have. I sound like a retarded cow, if anything. There's nothing r-like about it.
    Well, whatever... it works for me. I don't know what else to say.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    1,968

    Default Re: Teachign Pronuncication

    Anytime I make advances in pronunciation, my JTEs ruin it. I don't go to every class and even when I'm in class I'll try to say it the correct way then my JTE will reinforce the wrong way.

  12. #12
    Bilbo's Cloak of Geekery goloons's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    +1 to smiting
    Posts
    5,529

    Default Re: Teachign Pronuncication

    To teach the l sound, tell them to put the tip of their tongue in front of their top teeth. It's not the normal shape a native's mouth makes, but it makes the same sound, and it's impossible for them to make an R sound when the tongue is there.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •