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    I got an email just a few minutes ago from my PA about this: I dont know if others have seen this but I thought it might be interesting for some of you.

    Hello everyone,
    My name is Byron Nagy and I was a former CIR from 2006-2007 in
    Miyazaki. I posted a few months ago on this forum when I first joined
    Pasona and gave a little explanation about what I was doing at the
    time to help JETs find work after they finish JET. Since then things
    have kind of taken a few intresting twists and I thought I would
    write a bit about it on this forum to get some opinions on the
    matter.

    When I first joined Pasona, I was given the directive to try and
    place JETs with our client Japanese companies who are looking to hire
    foreigners. I thought I would create a database with all the JETs
    searching for jobs and then go ahead and match them with Pasona's
    clients looking to hire foreigners. In theory this should work well.

    However the reality is that out of the 5000 or so JETs in Japan, a
    very small percentage have significant corporate work experience
    and/or speak fluent Japanese. These two factors are essentially
    prerequisites for finding work in a Japanese company here and unless
    a candidate has some experience other than teaching English and is
    able to do work in Japanese, it is very hard for Pasona to even
    attempt to place them. Also the fact that most JETs don't have a
    close friends in Tokyo whom with they may crash long term, cant
    afford to live in a hotel while doing 就職活"ョ and don't want to
    spend 60 man moving into an apartment without assurances of
    employment is another significant barrier to successful employment
    here.

    As you might assume, the best candidates are often CIRs because they
    are guaranteed to speak Japanese and time as a CIR can sort of be
    fudged off as office experience here in Japan. However there are only
    a handful of CIRs compared to ALTs and the majority of CIRs will be
    able to successfully find employment with or without the help of
    Pasona.

    So.... how to help all the ALTs with lots of potential who just need
    some non-english teaching experience and business Japanese ability.
    In the process of trying to solve that problem, I created a project
    called JET-SET and am now working to implement it through Pasona by
    August of this year.

    JET-SET, is a Business training program in Tokyo that would help ALTs
    bridge the gap, improve their business Japanese while at the same
    time getting valuable work experience with Japanese companies. Put
    simply Pasona would be helping to solve the three afore mentioned
    barriers to employment by providing Japanese language education,
    Subsidized housing, and internship experience in a Japanese company
    as well as Pasona.

    Starting in August we would select 10 ALTs who will be finishing JET
    that year and have been on JET for 2+ years. The candidates would
    have to have around 2kyu Japanese, 1000 or so kanji under their belt,
    and a strong desire to stay in Japan for at least the near future and
    work at a Japanese company.

    Pasona would sponsor their health insurance, the visas, and pay the
    participants a monthly stipend so they can live here in Tokyo. We
    would also provide them with subsidized inexpensive housing in Tokyo
    with no shikikin or reikin at the start. For the first month or so we
    would hold business skill seminars as well as an OJT period in Pasona
    where they would pick up basic office skills like sales techniques,
    aisatsu, phone manners etc. After this, they would be "h遣'ed to a
    Japanese company essentially full time where they would be able to
    gain valuable experience and reinforce the business Japanese they
    will be learning 3 times a week in the evenings.

    After a year, the companies would have the option of hiring the JET-
    SET participants full time if both parties accepted wished it so. If
    not the participants would have the option of being introduced full
    time to another company through Pasona or find work themselves. The
    end result being that now the formerly unemployable JETs will now
    have a year of experience, will speak business level Japanese and
    will already be set up in Tokyo making finding full-time employment
    an attainable goal.

    I have the support of JETAA and "unofficial" encouragement from
    CLAIR, JETRO and the Japanese ministries. I intend to expand this
    program as far as we can. Expand it to the Kansai area as well as
    increasing the number to perhaps over 100 former-JET participants.
    But for the short term, I want to work on getting the program up and
    running this August with the first 10 participants.

    Come March and April, I plan to travel around Japan(Kagoshima,
    Fukuoka, Hiroshima, Ehime, Osaka, Nagoya, Tokyo, Sendai, Sapporo) and
    hold 説明会s to all the JETs in the surrounding prefectures. In these
    orientations we would gave general job hunting advice as well as
    explain the services Pasona can provide and introduce the JET-SET
    program. I would be available to answer questions and speak with any
    interested JETs.
    One thing I am struggling with right now is how to get the word out
    to the current ALTs and get them signed up to the local 説明会・quot;.
    Because Pasona is a private business we are not able to technically
    cooperate directly with CLAIR to put out official correspondence.
    What I was thinking is using perhaps the PA mailing list or CIR
    homepage, or just word of mouth in order to get in touch with the
    current ALT or CIR PAs in all the prefectures. I would communicate
    directly with these PA representatives and they would help me get the
    word out to JETs in their prefecture.

    I would be glad hear any comments, advice suggestions or questions on
    JET-SET itself or advice on how to implement it or get the word out.
    If anyone would like to step forward to either be the PA
    representative in their prefecture or put me in touch with the
    ALT/CIR PA it would be most appreciated.

    Hopefully through the success of this program we will create more
    opportunities for JETs and foreigners here in Japan and abroad!

    Byron Nagy
    bnagy@pasonagroup.co.jp
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    These poeple who want to stay in japana forever have got to get the skills or come to terms with being an ALT for the next 10 plus years.
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    However the reality is that out of the 5000 or so JETs in Japan, a
    very small percentage have significant corporate work experience
    and/or speak fluent Japanese. These two factors are essentially
    prerequisites for finding work in a Japanese company here and unless
    a candidate has some experience other than teaching English and is
    able to do work in Japanese, it is very hard for Pasona to even
    attempt to place them.

    I preached the living balls out of these two requirements and/or an advanced degree in a thread just a few days ago and nobody believed me. Go figure, there's the proof.

    Too bad they won't take first year JETs.

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    Sorry Puma I just figured I would relay it to people to help them out, maybe if you get your request you can go for it next year.
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    'I have significant experience in urban warfare, counter terrorism, and can speak 2kyuu Japgo....oh I was anALT too'

    This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for the info. *bookmarking
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    YOu book mark threads?
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    As usual, you all (Aliを除く) have your heads up your asses.

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    Yea why not?

    I have about 30 things bookmarked under the category 'things to do after JET'
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    Yeah. On second thinking, it is not that weird.

    I have not eaten anything since 5pm yesterday. I cant think proper properly.
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    Hows the TOEIC preparation coming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaghag View Post
    Hows the TOEIC preparation coming?
    I think I should concentrate on my Japanese.
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    You guys think he is the real deal, or is he a recruiter just out to collect names and e-mail addresses?
    Mark it zero!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeti99 View Post
    You guys think he is the real deal, or is he a recruiter just out to collect names and e-mail addresses?
    I met him at a Pasona sponsored business seminar in Tokyo a while back, he's actually a pretty decent guy.

    As a recruiter, he'd be frauding if he used this information to get contact numbers for cold calling, so I highly doubt that's the case.

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    This is a very good idea for a project, an admirable cause.

    It also unfortunately and necessarily excludes all but the highest-quality trainable, placeable personalities, or else it may not get funding for a second year. Even if we assume those personalities make up the majority of JET ALTs...

    1) The requirements screen out JETs who are not second-years, 2-kyu certified, funded and able to relocate. Unless Byron can expand his reach, these folks will also need to be plugged into his communication network. Advertising on ITIL, BD, Gaijinpot and elsewhere may yield a ton of applications, but virtually none of them will be useable or relevant. They will, however, boost Pasona's recruit numbers, which can be used to sell investments and land accounts even though few recruits get placed at all.

    2) Ten applicants a year is ten placements maximum, or 50 people in five years, a very, very poor number for an HR placement firm even in a specialised field. This one will also be handling work visas, language acquisition, subsidized housing... all different kinds of business operations, all of which cost Pasona or its partners. Will Pasona expand its recruiting allowance each year, and will that be based on success or profitability? Will it accept less than 2-kyu candidates someday? Look outside the JET community? It might have to, or else why all the effort for an elite few? What does Pasona gain by accepting ex-JETs for this program when it could offer the same benefits to engineers and marketing specialists outside the country with comparable pay scales -- remembering that most entry-level corporate jobs pay far less than a JET is used to? Why not ANY other demographic?

    Blech. I don't like feeling negative about good things. Hopefully this project will be a wild success! I should disclose that my opinion is likely biased by the fact that I will never qualify for the project, but live very near it, as a non-JET non-JLPT-certified workaday in Tokyo. ;D
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    I think that this is a good idea. Also, it's clear that he wants to expand this should this be successful so we might end up with something like 10 the first year, 15/20 the next and probably top it off at 100 or less (assuming that we stay within the JET pool and not the wider foreign population.).

    It's also a good idea because there are a good deal of JETs who stay in Japan for a year or more past their contract and this a good way to get the most qualified people into a steadier position outside the Eikaiwa realm.

    And Anon - Can't speak for certain on experience, but as far as JLPT levels go, the gap between 2kyuu and 3kyuu is huge and the gap to 1kyuu makes grown men weep. Or so I hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    Is 2 years in a large corporate office environment significant enough?



    I hope to go up one JLPT level every year. Does it get a lot easier by having to use it actively every day?

    As I stated before Anon, I am only relaying this to people who might be interested any questions just email that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oneiro View Post
    I think that this is a good idea. Also, it's clear that he wants to expand this should this be successful so we might end up with something like 10 the first year, 15/20 the next and probably top it off at 100 or less (assuming that we stay within the JET pool and not the wider foreign population.).

    It's also a good idea because there are a good deal of JETs who stay in Japan for a year or more past their contract and this a good way to get the most qualified people into a steadier position outside the Eikaiwa realm.

    And Anon - Can't speak for certain on experience, but as far as JLPT levels go, the gap between 2kyuu and 3kyuu is huge and the gap to 1kyuu makes grown men weep. Or so I hear.

    I concur. There is one ALT I know who has spent 6 years here and he studies like mad and he speaks Japanese very well. I have seen him carry on all sorts of conversations. He has yet to break through the Level 1 barrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reed View Post
    It also unfortunately and necessarily excludes all but the highest-quality trainable, placeable personalities, or else it may not get funding for a second year. Even if we assume those personalities make up the majority of JET ALTs...
    Such is life, my friend.

    If you don't have reasonably marketable skills for the Japanese market, then there's no way you're going to get a respectable job even with help like this. It's very practical to limit the application pool like this because that way it ensures the applicant pool will be full of people who are relatively marketable and not someone who hasn't put in the hours, or cannot fundementally cut it in Japan.

    Pasona is a fairly large recruiting company, and is not limited to foreign hires so accepting a mere 10 people is economically sound (as a branch project) at this point. This is a pilot program, and as such should by no means be open to everyone.

    I think it's a great idea, especially considering how low on the totem pole being an ALT in Japan is. The program is essentially taking people who would normally come out with very little from their JET tenure and turn it into something marketable in Japan. There's no doubt that a large number of JETs (including myself) are merely using the JET Programme as a means of getting their foot in Japan's door. This idea takes that one step further.

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    This is why I'm applying for CIR... well, that and I failed miserably at applying for ALT last year.

    I actually got some love from a Japanese recruiter a few months ago, and landed a job, but my boss was an ASS (he would make jokes about his American employees in Japanese at morning meetings FFS) which made me lose all my motivation to work, so they got rid of me after a month and a half. After that I got a token interview (for a job position that was filled months ago, WTF? I had to spend my own gas money to get to it), and the last I've heard from them, they introduced me to another company but I haven't heard back.

    Funny enough, I got a nibble from Bandai, but I couldn't make it to the Boston career fair and I would have to go to Japan to get an interview if they granted me one, so...

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